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Sep 21, 2020 - 12:26:19 PM
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10236 posts since 2/22/2007

"I hear people talkin' bad,
About the way they have to live here in this country
Harpin' on the wars we fight
And gripin' 'bout the way things oughta be
And I don't mind 'em switchin' sides
And standin' up for things they believe in
But when they're runnin' down our country, man
They're walkin' on the fightin' side of me
They're walkin' on the fightin' side of me
Runnin' down a way of life
Our fightin' men have fought and died to keep
If you don't love it, leave it
Let this song that I'm singin' be a warnin'
When you're runnin' down our country, hoss
You're walkin' on the fightin' side of me
I read about some squirrelly guy
Who claims that he just don't believe in fightin'
And I wonder just how long
The rest of us can count on bein' free
They love our milk and honey
But they preach about some other way of livin'
But when they're runnin' down our country, man
They're walkin' on the fightin' side of me"

I can only say "amen".
But sadly have to also wonder---
"And are we rolling downhill like a snowball headed for hell
With no kinda chance for the flag or the liberty bell?------Is the best of the free life behind us now. And are the good times really over for good?

It won't be me that answers that last question, and I'm not too optimistic about those who will.

Sep 21, 2020 - 1:27:19 PM
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rinemb

USA

12542 posts since 5/24/2005

Keeping with Merle, hmmm, without the other verses this lyric may fit more lives, eh. Brad

Let him sing me back home
With the songs, I used to hear
Make my old memories, come alive.
Take me away
and turn back the years
Let him sing me back home before I die.

Sep 21, 2020 - 1:53:45 PM
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73325 posts since 5/9/2007

When Merle came out with Okie from Muskogee all the musicians laughed,saying "Merle likes to smoke pot."

Sep 21, 2020 - 2:46:46 PM

9647 posts since 8/22/2006

He quit smoking pot later in his life and took the habit back up as he got older. Watch his videos and you can tell about when he started the habit again.

Sep 21, 2020 - 5:26:31 PM
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5777 posts since 9/5/2006

totally different time ,, totally different country then,, he couldn't get a record company to record that song for a million dollars today...... too offensive,,, too supportive of america.

Sep 21, 2020 - 5:51:52 PM
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10236 posts since 2/22/2007

A different time but some of the same forces are in play now as then, and "running down our country" has never been more fashionable. And we are still rolling down hill like--------

Sep 21, 2020 - 6:53:48 PM
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4039 posts since 10/18/2007

Bill, please explain who specifically is running down our country. Remember, ther

Sep 21, 2020 - 6:59:12 PM
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chuckv97

Canada

52650 posts since 10/5/2013

So where does one draw the line between criticizing certain aspects of a country and being told to “leave it” if you don’t like it?

Sep 21, 2020 - 7:06:48 PM
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4039 posts since 10/18/2007

Bill, who is running down our country? What makes this a good country is that we have the freedom to, among other great things, voice our opinions. There are about 350,000,000 Americans. What percentage of these are “running down the country?” I believe we should be adults who can take bad news when it comes and strive to correct wrongs, not hide behind a flag and pretend it will all go away.

Sep 21, 2020 - 8:31:25 PM
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Paul R

Canada

13175 posts since 1/28/2010

Bill seems nostalgic for a time that never existed.

Sep 22, 2020 - 12:01:57 AM
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1297 posts since 2/4/2013

Or perhaps Merle got it wrong. Meanwhile Bill shows why rose tinted glasses salesmen do so well at times.

Sep 22, 2020 - 1:15:46 AM
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2921 posts since 4/29/2012

"Running down the country" in this context means "pointing out things that could be changed for the better in the view of the critic, but not in my view ". There's a word for people who believe that only one viewpoint, theirs, is valid and that people who disagree with it are to be suppressed. When those people move into the political sphere that word starts with F.
We've got them here too. People with a rosy view of the past and a yearning for the days when people of their particular race, gender, religion were more obviously given an advantage and that was thought normal and acceptable.
Once again Bill starts a thread that can only be viewed as political. Once again he will be given free rein and the thread will only be locked when the opposition gets too vocal.

Sep 22, 2020 - 4:22:45 AM
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One of my favorite stories about nostalgia is from Mark Twain.
People down around his hometown of Hannibal, Missouri, were always remarking about how much better things were before The War.
He tells of sitting on a porch with some elderly woman, one evening, as the full moon arose.
He remarked as to what a beautiful sight it was, and she replied
"Oh, yes, but you should have seen it before The War!"

Sep 22, 2020 - 4:42:44 AM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

24934 posts since 8/3/2003

Let's try to leave political posts out of this thread or it's gone.

Sep 22, 2020 - 6:20:02 AM
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5777 posts since 9/5/2006

by whose standards are these advantages measured ? what is the moral or immoral line at ?
the average guy works his butt off for 45 plus years,, was able to get married ,, raise a family,,by a house,, a couple of cars and put back a little money for old age all because he work like a dog for most of his life, then when he retires someone tells him he is privileged because of his color,,or beliefs,,or where he was raised ? no its because he worked his A$$ off. the 80,000 to 100,000 hours of hanging in there when he couldn't hardly hold his head up is his privilege . his body being broke down from years and years of hard work is his privilege. thats what is great about this country,, if you are willing to sacrifice yourself to make a better life for you and your family its there,,,no matter if you are digging ditches,, running wire,, fixing trucks , or taking care of a patient,,, it is possible and its done everyday by every race. thats what the good ole days are supposed to be about.

Sep 22, 2020 - 7:37:54 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by banjo bill-e


If you don't love it, leave it
 


Options are kind of limited at the moment. 

Sep 22, 2020 - 9:53:09 AM

Paul R

Canada

13175 posts since 1/28/2010

quote:
Originally posted by 1935tb-11

by whose standards are these advantages measured ? what is the moral or immoral line at ?
the average guy works his butt off for 45 plus years,, was able to get married ,, raise a family,,by a house,, a couple of cars and put back a little money for old age all because he work like a dog for most of his life, then when he retires someone tells him he is privileged because of his color,,or beliefs,,or where he was raised ? no its because he worked his A$$ off. the 80,000 to 100,000 hours of hanging in there when he couldn't hardly hold his head up is his privilege . his body being broke down from years and years of hard work is his privilege. thats what is great about this country,, if you are willing to sacrifice yourself to make a better life for you and your family its there,,,no matter if you are digging ditches,, running wire,, fixing trucks , or taking care of a patient,,, it is possible and its done everyday by every race. thats what the good ole days are supposed to be about.


I've never met an average guy. Everyone I know or have met is different and unique, has encountered different curcumstances, and has a different life story to tell.

Sep 22, 2020 - 10:07:42 AM
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[quote tb11] the average guy works his butt off for 45 plus years,, was able to get married ,, raise a family,,by a house,, a couple of cars and put back a little money for old age all because he work like a dog for most of his life, then when he retires someone tells him he is privileged because of his color,,or beliefs,,or where he was raised ? no its because he worked his A$$ off. the 80,000 to 100,000 hours of hanging in there when he couldn't hardly hold his head up is his privilege . his body being broke down from years and years of hard work is his privilege. thats what is great about this country,, if you are willing to sacrifice yourself to make a better life for you and your family its there,,,no matter if you are digging ditches,, running wire,, fixing trucks , or taking care of a patient,,, it is possible and its done everyday by every race. thats what the good ole days are supposed to be about. [\quote tb11]

Amen brother. Pull yourself up by the boot straps? BTDT.

While there will always be those who view the glass as half empty, others will view it as half full. That's just natural. What ticks me off is some have absolutely no taste at all for the contents of the glass!

Good old days? Most of us look back to childhood when "the rules" were simple. Take out the trash, don't talk back, & be home for dinner. Most everything else was taken for granted. We were kids, "our world" more or less constrained by the distance we were able to get from home, & be back for dinner. ROF It would not be too much a stretch to say we led a rather sheltered life.

I have been fortunate to have visited many foreign countries. Pleasant as some were, as a visitor I was able to see little else than that which I was there to see. What I am trying to say is, although the grass may look greener on the other side of the road, it is only because we fail to realize there are two sides to every coin, the invisible not to be diminished!

Be careful what you wish for.   

Edited by - monstertone on 09/22/2020 10:25:08

Sep 22, 2020 - 11:37:22 AM

BobbyE

USA

2759 posts since 11/29/2007

10-9-8-7-6-5-4......

Anyone taking bets? LOL.

Bobby

Sep 22, 2020 - 11:44:55 AM
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1297 posts since 2/4/2013

quote:
Originally posted by 1935tb-11

by whose standards are these advantages measured ? what is the moral or immoral line at ?
the average guy works his butt off for 45 plus years,, was able to get married ,, raise a family,,by a house,, a couple of cars and put back a little money for old age all because he work like a dog for most of his life, then when he retires someone tells him he is privileged


These days you can do that and it might cover rent and food if you're lucky. So you might have had the privilege of working under the old economic system where labour got a bigger percentage of national wealth and the cost of various things were not such a big part of people's income. You might have been able to get a job at the auto factory instead of a minimum wage job at Walmart.

Sep 22, 2020 - 12:03:29 PM

255 posts since 10/4/2018

in 20 or 30 years, these are going to be the good ol' days.

Sep 22, 2020 - 1:02:28 PM
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10236 posts since 2/22/2007

Graham, that is nonsense. Immigrants are thriving here. They work like crazy and all live in a crowded house until that house is paid for. Then they start on the next house. They work as drywall hangers until they learn the ropes, then start a drywall company (and locally they now dominate that market). I know an Iranian who began cooking pizzas for minimum wage and now own three restaurants and he did it starting with no money and no knowledge. I also know a man who cannot read or write, signs his checks with an X, and has made himself a millionaire by outworking the competition in the construction trade. The Vietnamese gentleman whose salon was next to my store came here with next to nothing. Now he buys new cars for cash. And on and on. I have know a young Asian couple who were each working two full time jobs, living off one paycheck and banking three of them. They were so excited about the opportunities here!
What they were NOT doing is sitting around whining about the lack of opportunity and waiting on a handout.

Edited by - banjo bill-e on 09/22/2020 13:03:55

Sep 22, 2020 - 1:28:44 PM
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1297 posts since 2/4/2013

quote:
Originally posted by banjo bill-e

Graham, that is nonsense. Immigrants are thriving here.

 


I'm sure some are. But a few anecodatal examples are not the full story. Even a cursory check for stats shows immigrants earning on average about 80% of native born Americans.

Sep 22, 2020 - 4:32:46 PM
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Owen

Canada

6427 posts since 6/5/2011

quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97

So where does one draw the line between criticizing certain aspects of a country and being told to “leave it” if you don’t like it?


...there is no "line"....  BHO is all-or-nothing land.  devil

Sep 22, 2020 - 6:10:46 PM

birdman

USA

470 posts since 8/24/2004

quote:
Originally posted by Cornflake

Bill, who is running down our country? What makes this a good country is that we have the freedom to, among other great things, voice our opinions. There are about 350,000,000 Americans. What percentage of these are “running down the country?” I believe we should be adults who can take bad news when it comes and strive to correct wrongs, not hide behind a flag and pretend it will all go away.


Who is running down our country?  How about blm and antifa... 

Sep 22, 2020 - 6:12:53 PM
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birdman

USA

470 posts since 8/24/2004

Oh yeah and cnn goober, don lemon

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