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Aug 6, 2020 - 4:24:42 PM
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1026 posts since 12/2/2012

After 400 years, beavers allowed back in the wild in England for good

I guess why this story has interested me is because I was reading a story that was set in England - it may have been C. S. Lewis - (I think there are a couple of beavers who interact with some characters) and it made me wonder why the author included beavers in his story. I remember thinking that beavers were only in North America (a student of history, the beaver fur trade was important in the early years of the USA). So I did some research and was surprised to learn that England did at one time many years ago have beavers. And they were all done in, perhaps with wolves and bears for all I know.

I'm glad to see them back. Beavers can cause problems backing up creeks and streams, but generally, since I don't own a creek or a stream I'm fine with them.

I really don't expect anyone to comment on this because I can't imagine what else there is to say. And no dirty jokes. . .

 

Oh. And when I was a kid my role model was Eddie Haskell. . .

Aug 6, 2020 - 4:42:06 PM
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chuckv97

Canada

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The beaver is on the Canadian nickel because it was so important to the development of the country. With the beaver felt hat rage in Europe at that time the beaver population in Europe was decimated so North America became the place to trap beaver. If you’ve ever heard the loud slap of a beaver’s tail to signal danger before it goes under water you’ll never forget it.

(and who can forget Lumpy and his Dad Fred Rutherford,,,who later morphed into Mel Cooley.....)

Edited by - chuckv97 on 08/06/2020 16:44:20

Aug 6, 2020 - 5:58:56 PM
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RV6

USA

1350 posts since 2/3/2012

quote:
Originally posted by Wyozark

Oh. And when I was a kid my role model was Eddie Haskell. . .


My long time fly fishing buddy Charlie, (now deceased), was on the LA police force at the same time as  Ken Osmond was on the force and knew him.  He said he was a great guy.  I think Charlie said he grew a mustache to make him less recognizable to others.  I believe Ken was shot and had to go on disability. 

Aug 6, 2020 - 6:14:50 PM
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figmo59

USA

31807 posts since 3/5/2008

I've blasted beaver Dams..

Boy...
You awtta...see ah Beaver hugger do a full U turn..

When that beaver is gonna sink thier home n bank account... :0/

Aug 6, 2020 - 6:19:02 PM

RonR

USA

1681 posts since 11/29/2012

My friend has a stream and woods at the edge of his yard. Beavers chewed down the trees and made a dam there. Then they build a house in the middle of their new lake. It took less then a week for them to build the whole homestead. The township sent out an animal control guy and he trapped them with leg snares under the water. It was a shame to destroy them, as beavers had not been seen in our county for 100 years.

Aug 6, 2020 - 6:41:28 PM

55376 posts since 12/14/2005

Reminds me of a documentary I saw on TV, zipty-do years back.
Guy put a radio in a field NEAR a beaver pond, protected it with wire mesh, and broadcast the sound of rushing water.

He proved that beavers just instinctively pile mud and sticks wherever they hear rushing water, doesn't have to BE any actual water.

OTHER interesting fact: After a few years, the silt the river carried down as far as the pond makes the pond no longer useful to the beavers, and they move away. The dam deteriorates, the water drains out, leaving a silt-rich meadow for whichever woodland creatures might need one.

Aug 6, 2020 - 6:48:53 PM
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chuckv97

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Aug 6, 2020 - 8:18:51 PM
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Brian T

Canada

16918 posts since 6/5/2008

Forest rats. The amount of change they can make over night is astounding.
They can destroy an entire creek of moving water ecosystem and turn it in to a foetid
mosquito-breeding paradise of stagnant water.

Plug a culvert, ditch fills up on the highway high side.
The road bed saturates, liquifies and the whole stretch of highway goes whooping
off down the mountainside. Wyozark, just hope you aren't riding that pavement at the time.

Hindsight shows the HBC was less than kind to the First Nations trappers in western Canada.

Aug 6, 2020 - 8:48:58 PM

chuckv97

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Git’em drunk on fire water and take their furs was the MO of the day

Edited by - chuckv97 on 08/06/2020 20:49:13

Aug 6, 2020 - 11:24:12 PM
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1264 posts since 2/4/2013

quote:
Originally posted by Brian T

Forest rats. The amount of change they can make over night is astounding.
They can destroy an entire creek of moving water ecosystem and turn it in to a foetid
mosquito-breeding paradise of stagnant water.

Plug a culvert, ditch fills up on the highway high side.
The road bed saturates, liquifies and the whole stretch of highway goes whooping
off down the mountainside. Wyozark, just hope you aren't riding that pavement at the time.

Hindsight shows the HBC was less than kind to the First Nations trappers in western Canada.


That's a very human centric view of nature. Beavers have been doing their thing for 1000s of years. They are part of that ecosystem. The culvert and highway not so much.

Aug 7, 2020 - 5:01:05 AM
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Wyozark

USA

1026 posts since 12/2/2012

This generated more comments than I ever expected! Bless you folks!

Growing up in central Missouri I don't recall seeing beavers, but the conservation department started buying land and the animal population for a great many species began to rise.

In the 90's we lived at the edge of a historic town built on the banks of the Missouri River. Our street turned into a gravel road and a nearby creek became home to some beavers. As mentioned, they can be amazingly fast at felling trees, building the dam and lodge. Since it was on an old farm owned by the state nothing was done to prevent it.

Being a nerdy Scoutmaster type I collected a small bag of shavings from where a beaver cut down a tree. Wasn't sure what I was going to do with them, but it seemed kind of neat thing of nature to have, rather than droppings anyway. . .

Couple things (I think) I remember from previous research: if at a certain age the young beavers don't move out the mother and father beaver kills them. Remember this fun fact if you find yourself doing any family counseling. . . and the second thing is that those clear mountain streams aren't safe to drink from because of the contaminants from beavers.

And Chucky mentioned the slap of a beaver's tail. In my recollection it sounded like a rifle shot.

Well, it's early morning and I need to get back at it. We've been remodeling the kitchen/great room and if we're to get it finished we have to be busy as a . . uh. .

Aug 7, 2020 - 6:16:06 AM

Paul R

Canada

13088 posts since 1/28/2010

I was on a trail management board here, and there were often problems dealing with beavers blocking culverts and such. One member said he dealt with beavers, unofficially, with a .22. Move along folks, nothing to see here.

Aug 7, 2020 - 8:15:50 AM
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427 posts since 10/9/2017

They must have had them in England back in the day:

"I saw young Harry, with his beaver on,
His cuisses on his thighs, gallantly armed,
Rise from the ground like feathered Mercury,
And vaulted with such ease into his seat
As if an angel dropped down from the clouds,
To turn and wind a fiery Pegasus
And witch the world with noble horsemanship."

William Shakespeare, Henry IV, Part I: Act IV, Scene 1.

Not sure how he got the thing to sit still on his head during mounted combat, but the tail was probably an effective neck guard.

Aug 7, 2020 - 8:35:55 AM

1264 posts since 2/4/2013

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Originally posted by Remsleep

They must have had them in England back in the day:

 


We had them all. Beavers, wolves, bears, lynx and even herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically across the plain (the last being a British in joke unless you're a UK TV watcher abroad).

Aug 7, 2020 - 11:38:23 AM

1889 posts since 4/22/2018

quote:
Originally posted by figmo59

I've blasted beaver Dams..

Boy...
You awtta...see ah Beaver hugger do a full U turn..

When that beaver is gonna sink thier home n bank account... :0/


Some of the most fun I've had with my clothes on involved a couple of beaver dams, some home made explosive and an AR15

Aug 7, 2020 - 11:52:21 AM
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Brian T

Canada

16918 posts since 6/5/2008

I've witnessed the damage that they do to the landscape.
Total destruction of flowing water ecosystems. Don't gloss over that point.

If I plugged up a creek and backed up the water for any reason,
my human-centric pals will lock me up.

They are classed here as fur bearing animals.
Thus, they are under the management of the owner of that location's trap-line.
Fortunately, the trappers are quite willing to assist when local populations rise
above that which can be considered the "Carrying Capacity" of the watershed.

Aug 7, 2020 - 1:17:15 PM

1264 posts since 2/4/2013

quote:
Originally posted by Brian T

I've witnessed the damage that they do to the landscape.
Total destruction of flowing water ecosystems. Don't gloss over that point.
 


It's what they have always done. This is part of the ecosystem. If we're talking about ecosystem descruction perhaps we should compare beavers to humans.

Aug 7, 2020 - 3:06:20 PM
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Brian T

Canada

16918 posts since 6/5/2008

Of course. Gross environmental alterations.
For what miniscule area we humans occupy in British Columbia,
I'll stick to their local extinction.
Of course, there's your chance to get a damn good infection of the parasitic Gallardia ("Beaver Fever.")

Aug 7, 2020 - 4:38:47 PM
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cevant

USA

32 posts since 2/5/2020

Well, I just bought an old banjo that looks like it's been worked on by a whole bunch of beavers. I hope it wasn't one of y'all. Still, I'll get it playin' again one day.

Aug 8, 2020 - 6:19:36 AM

bubbalouie

Canada

14069 posts since 9/27/2007

I knew a crazy Frenchman that said " Da beavers dere suck the hoxigon outta the trees so dey sink to da bottom" !

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