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Jul 16, 2020 - 4:50:45 AM
5134 posts since 9/5/2006

well this is gonna be a S@#T storm. its only the beginning , just watch. increase in local and state taxes to fund,,,payroll deductions will be next ,and deductions from social security to fund when it wildfires across the country. (cause ya know old people are the worst) . the country is imploding and they ain't a damn thing to do about it. overkill is the trend of the day and its coming to a city near you. MERRY CHRISTMAS,,, WHERES THE TYLENOL !

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/city-council-asheville-north-carolina-unanimously-approves-reparation/story?id=71795059

Edited by - 1935tb-11 on 07/16/2020 04:52:15

Jul 16, 2020 - 5:41:38 AM
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I'm not opposed to reparations, but the problem lies in determining what they are and what they should be. I think my issues can be summed up in this quote from the article. ""This process begins and is perpetual, repeating this process over and over again," Young, who is Black, said in the statement. "There is no completion box to check off.""

And what about reparations for the original inhabitants, surely they suffered and lost more than the slaves. How can they be paid back?

Jul 16, 2020 - 5:42:25 AM

3139 posts since 9/12/2016

ABC news seems to be throwing weight to one side as usual among major sources (one side or the other)  .- What goes on in Asheville is their domain---- not that of folks wanting them to behave like a good slave should --from miles away--


Outside opinions coupled with -cell phone cameras --and social media.has folks screwed up.. If they don't fix it locally as human neighbors --they are wasting their time .
However it will go as usual ----and have nots will still be rising against those that --seem to have more or have had more -- in that river of-------
this is my opinion -- I ask no one for agreement

I turned the news off ---only gleaning for new subjects in the world news realms.

Edited by - Tractor1 on 07/16/2020 05:48:28

Jul 16, 2020 - 5:51:32 AM

3139 posts since 9/12/2016

quote:
Originally posted by DC5

I'm not opposed to reparations, but the problem lies in determining what they are and what they should be. I think my issues can be summed up in this quote from the article. ""This process begins and is perpetual, repeating this process over and over again," Young, who is Black, said in the statement. "There is no completion box to check off.""

And what about reparations for the original inhabitants, surely they suffered and lost more than the slaves. How can they be paid back?


I ain't sending any money to that one guy that always is bringing up --his Native American  heritage here

Jul 16, 2020 - 5:55:29 AM
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I think government should be investing more money into poorer areas anyway, and then as a result those who are on the lower end of the financial spectrum will benefit, whether they're black or not.

But apparently that's not enough. It has to be turned on its head so that the identified racial group (black people) are the targeted benefactors, because this means that any opposition can be regarded as racism. This is identity politics, and its ugly.

The way I see it, the only way we could possibly hope for social racial equality (legal equality has already been achieved), is if we stop trying to group people by race and treating that group as a collective... which by the way is the fundamental idea of racism, and start to treat people as individuals with individual responsibility. We just need to do away with all this 'group-identity' twaddle.

Jul 16, 2020 - 6:14:13 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by DC5

I'm not opposed to reparations, but the problem lies in determining what they are and what they should be. I think my issues can be summed up in this quote from the article. ""This process begins and is perpetual, repeating this process over and over again," Young, who is Black, said in the statement. "There is no completion box to check off.""

And what about reparations for the original inhabitants, surely they suffered and lost more than the slaves. How can they be paid back?


...and maybe the Native American tribes can pay reparations to each other, since they commonly took prisoners, and made slaves of them in their ancient internecine tribal wars, which were going on for centuries before Europeans showed up on the North & South American continents.

And maybe people of British descent can collect reparations from the Nordic countries, seeing how the Vikings raided England from the 8th thru the 10th centuries, taking Brits as prisoners and making slaves of them.......

You see, slavery has existed (and still exists to this day) ever since two groups of people met up  somewhere on this Earth.

Slavery was wrong then and it is wrong now. We should be concerned with ending modern-day slavery everywhere, not trying to redress wrongs done 200 years ago. You read about "human trafficking", the "sex trafficking trade", etc......that's modern day slavery. It needs to be stopped.

The institution of slavery was not, and is not, indigenous to the USA.  

Jul 16, 2020 - 7:38:55 AM

3139 posts since 9/12/2016

The big media and now also net giants ---are bound to make it easier on themselves by showing things as a NATIONAL crowd mentality. One ad can cover a lot more territory then. ------
Some one talking to their friends down at the Chamber of Commerce would tend to be in a different mood----- than they would be in -------at their protest orientation. If Dan Rather or Rachel gets in there with a microphone and a little national spotlight---watch out-
I like the Chamber of Commerce more myself------ but I would expect you and your buddies back at the pond ---with food and beverage --
National news seekers need not apply----unless you can throw down on a good rhythm

Edited by - Tractor1 on 07/16/2020 07:39:55

Jul 16, 2020 - 7:53:37 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Edthebanjo

I think government should be investing more money into poorer areas anyway, and then as a result those who are on the lower end of the financial spectrum will benefit, whether they're black or not.

But apparently that's not enough. It has to be turned on its head so that the identified racial group (black people) are the targeted benefactors, because this means that any opposition can be regarded as racism. This is identity politics, and its ugly.

The way I see it, the only way we could possibly hope for social racial equality (legal equality has already been achieved), is if we stop trying to group people by race and treating that group as a collective... which by the way is the fundamental idea of racism, and start to treat people as individuals with individual responsibility. We just need to do away with all this 'group-identity' twaddle.


This is arguably false.  The majority of drug laws were implemented to harm, control, or imprison blacks.  ( Read the history of Nixon's "War on Drugs")  Look at the penalties, for example, between powdered cocaine and crack cocaine.  The former is (was) the preferred drug of high achieving whites, the latter is an affordable poor man's version.  Virtually every gun law passed in the U.S. was done with the intention of keeping guns out of the hands of black people.  (Look up Saturday Night Specials) The courts may treat all that come before them equally, but the laws that brought them there are not equal, to borrow from Voltaire, the law treats all people equally in that it is just as illegal for a rich man to live under a bridge as a poor man. 

Jul 16, 2020 - 8:01:15 AM

3139 posts since 9/12/2016

It would seem the power to vote would give equality--to some degree .That is what it was created for. You don't want millionaires under your bridge---bring it up for vote . I am going to have to check out Voltaire btw

Jul 16, 2020 - 8:03:15 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by DC5
quote:
Originally posted by Edthebanjo

I think government should be investing more money into poorer areas anyway, and then as a result those who are on the lower end of the financial spectrum will benefit, whether they're black or not.

But apparently that's not enough. It has to be turned on its head so that the identified racial group (black people) are the targeted benefactors, because this means that any opposition can be regarded as racism. This is identity politics, and its ugly.

The way I see it, the only way we could possibly hope for social racial equality (legal equality has already been achieved), is if we stop trying to group people by race and treating that group as a collective... which by the way is the fundamental idea of racism, and start to treat people as individuals with individual responsibility. We just need to do away with all this 'group-identity' twaddle.


This is arguably false.  The majority of drug laws were implemented to harm, control, or imprison blacks.  ( Read the history of Nixon's "War on Drugs")  Look at the penalties, for example, between powdered cocaine and crack cocaine.  The former is (was) the preferred drug of high achieving whites, the latter is an affordable poor man's version.  Virtually every gun law passed in the U.S. was done with the intention of keeping guns out of the hands of black people.  (Look up Saturday Night Specials) The courts may treat all that come before them equally, but the laws that brought them there are not equal, to borrow from Voltaire, the law treats all people equally in that it is just as illegal for a rich man to live under a bridge as a poor man. 


That's not evidence that there isn't legal equality nowadays though... the penalties for breaking the law are the same for anyone of any race. 

Jul 16, 2020 - 8:04:57 AM
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We decided to help our Maine Indians and it has worked pretty good for everybody.

Jul 16, 2020 - 8:12:58 AM

10407 posts since 1/15/2005

quote:
Originally posted by DC5
quote:
Originally posted by Edthebanjo

I think government should be investing more money into poorer areas anyway, and then as a result those who are on the lower end of the financial spectrum will benefit, whether they're black or not.

But apparently that's not enough. It has to be turned on its head so that the identified racial group (black people) are the targeted benefactors, because this means that any opposition can be regarded as racism. This is identity politics, and its ugly.

The way I see it, the only way we could possibly hope for social racial equality (legal equality has already been achieved), is if we stop trying to group people by race and treating that group as a collective... which by the way is the fundamental idea of racism, and start to treat people as individuals with individual responsibility. We just need to do away with all this 'group-identity' twaddle.


This is arguably false.  The majority of drug laws were implemented to harm, control, or imprison blacks.  ( Read the history of Nixon's "War on Drugs")  Look at the penalties, for example, between powdered cocaine and crack cocaine.  The former is (was) the preferred drug of high achieving whites, the latter is an affordable poor man's version.  Virtually every gun law passed in the U.S. was done with the intention of keeping guns out of the hands of black people.  (Look up Saturday Night Specials) The courts may treat all that come before them equally, but the laws that brought them there are not equal, to borrow from Voltaire, the law treats all people equally in that it is just as illegal for a rich man to live under a bridge as a poor man. 

While you may be right in the perception of racial overtones in the "Saturday night specials", I think legislation regarding them was more aimed at criminals in general rather specifically blacks .... for self protection or whatever.  I don't think to was designed to keep them out of the hand of blacks specifically to protect themselves and their household.  I'm not sure,  but I think the penalties for crack and cocaine have been more equalized now.  I can tell you one thing for sure.  When my brother was a police officer (30 years), he would ten times rather arrest someone high on cocaine rather then crack, as they were quite often uncontrollable taking multiple police officer to get them in handcuffs.  Not that that is a reason for stiffer penalties. 

Jul 16, 2020 - 8:15:30 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Edthebanjo
quote:
Originally posted by DC5
quote:
Originally posted by Edthebanjo

I think government should be investing more money into poorer areas anyway, and then as a result those who are on the lower end of the financial spectrum will benefit, whether they're black or not.

But apparently that's not enough. It has to be turned on its head so that the identified racial group (black people) are the targeted benefactors, because this means that any opposition can be regarded as racism. This is identity politics, and its ugly.

The way I see it, the only way we could possibly hope for social racial equality (legal equality has already been achieved), is if we stop trying to group people by race and treating that group as a collective... which by the way is the fundamental idea of racism, and start to treat people as individuals with individual responsibility. We just need to do away with all this 'group-identity' twaddle.


This is arguably false.  The majority of drug laws were implemented to harm, control, or imprison blacks.  ( Read the history of Nixon's "War on Drugs")  Look at the penalties, for example, between powdered cocaine and crack cocaine.  The former is (was) the preferred drug of high achieving whites, the latter is an affordable poor man's version.  Virtually every gun law passed in the U.S. was done with the intention of keeping guns out of the hands of black people.  (Look up Saturday Night Specials) The courts may treat all that come before them equally, but the laws that brought them there are not equal, to borrow from Voltaire, the law treats all people equally in that it is just as illegal for a rich man to live under a bridge as a poor man. 


That's not evidence that there isn't legal equality nowadays though... the penalties for breaking the law are the same for anyone of any race. 


But the laws are written to target one race over another, it still happens today, and we have not repealed laws from the past.  So yes, a rich white guy will get the same penalty for crack cocaine as a poor black guy.  But which one is more likely to use crack cocaine?  High prices for gun permits are to keep guns out of the hands of poor blacks.  Yes, some poor whites also get caught up in the web, but rich white people don't want them having guns either.  Public schools in inner cities, which have predominantly minority students, are grossly underfunded compared to public schools in affluent neighborhoods.  And level funding is not equal funding.  The students need equal stuff, not money.  My textbooks were over 10 years old, and there were inadequate computer systems - and I was in the best equipped school in the city.  Move one town over and it was unbelievable how well equipped the schools were.  No problem when they moved to remote learning as everyone had high access internet at home.  This was not true in my district.  There is still massive discrimination in housing and jobs.  There are rental agencies that specialize in steering "unwanteds" away from certain rental units.  An advantage to a landlord to use the agency, rather than advertise the unit herself.  I would love it if I was wrong on this, but I'm not. 

Jul 16, 2020 - 8:25:19 AM

3139 posts since 9/12/2016

Isn't discrimination in housing and jobs against the law -already ----so what gives --

Jul 16, 2020 - 8:25:40 AM

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Originally posted by steve davis

We decided to help our Maine Indians and it has worked pretty good for everybody.


except when it came to casinos.... i can understand their frustration.

Jul 16, 2020 - 8:29:38 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Edthebanjo
quote:
Originally posted by DC5
quote:
Originally posted by Edthebanjo

I think government should be investing more money into poorer areas anyway, and then as a result those who are on the lower end of the financial spectrum will benefit, whether they're black or not.

But apparently that's not enough. It has to be turned on its head so that the identified racial group (black people) are the targeted benefactors, because this means that any opposition can be regarded as racism. This is identity politics, and its ugly.

The way I see it, the only way we could possibly hope for social racial equality (legal equality has already been achieved), is if we stop trying to group people by race and treating that group as a collective... which by the way is the fundamental idea of racism, and start to treat people as individuals with individual responsibility. We just need to do away with all this 'group-identity' twaddle.


This is arguably false.  The majority of drug laws were implemented to harm, control, or imprison blacks.  ( Read the history of Nixon's "War on Drugs")  Look at the penalties, for example, between powdered cocaine and crack cocaine.  The former is (was) the preferred drug of high achieving whites, the latter is an affordable poor man's version.  Virtually every gun law passed in the U.S. was done with the intention of keeping guns out of the hands of black people.  (Look up Saturday Night Specials) The courts may treat all that come before them equally, but the laws that brought them there are not equal, to borrow from Voltaire, the law treats all people equally in that it is just as illegal for a rich man to live under a bridge as a poor man. 


That's not evidence that there isn't legal equality nowadays though... the penalties for breaking the law are the same for anyone of any race. 


the reason the powder from was more expensive is because it was higher quality,, not because it was directed to blacks... dealer don't give a crap what color you are as long as its GREEN.  if anyone has the dough to spend on coke ,, its better spent on getting help or bettering them self.    this whoa is me cause great great great grandpa was a slave is getting thin.   

 poor don't know color.. poor is paying 16.50 a week for rent and 3 brothers sleeping in the same room,, and it better be on time. poor is waking up and it so cold the water in the toilet bowl is froze cause you didn't have money for oil.  poor is walking or biking to work for several months till you get your car fixed,, poor is living off bologna sandwiches and ramen noodles for weeks .,,,  i worked my ass off from the age of 15 to 19  starting at 1.60 an hour till i got a better job  and worked my way out of there.  by the time i was 19 ,,graduated at 17 ,, i was married and doing ok.  how do i know all this ,,, caused i lived it.    today has 10 times more opportunities then 45 or 50 years ago.  young folks today are much smarter ,, more socially adapt,, have the world at the tips of their fingers.   so this cryin about how hard it is for people of color or any young person for that fact  ,,needs to go a look back from where we were and how far we have come.

Edited by - 1935tb-11 on 07/16/2020 08:31:30

Jul 16, 2020 - 8:52:10 AM

3139 posts since 9/12/2016

As far as I see it, Discrimination of a race has been against the law about anywhere in the U.S and violators can be--- brought to justice ---
if that is the case---I would go ask whoever supplied those computers --where mine were, it would be a good time ,to ask ---That is the way things work among many --of all races.imo
If it is not a law --I would call a newsperson

Jul 16, 2020 - 8:53:32 AM

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Quote: "High prices for gun permits are to keep guns out of the hands of poor blacks. Yes, some poor whites also get caught up in the web, but rich white people don't want them having guns either."

Not sure what you are talking about here Dave. There are no permit fees to own firearms where I live. Maybe where you live permits are high to keep guns from blacks and poor people, but in South Carolina, and I think neighboring states as well, we are not trying to keep guns out of the hands of minorities ..... criminal, both black and white, yes, but not minorities.

Jul 16, 2020 - 9:05:16 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Tractor1

Isn't discrimination in housing and jobs against the law -already ----so what gives --


Illegal, but difficult to prove.  If a landlord or company puts an add, they need to pretty much give it to the first qualifying applicant.  But if they go through an agency, the agency does not need to list all available jobs to all seekers.  Person W and Person B go into an agency seeking an apartment, or job and the agency steers them toward, or away from certain landlords or hiring managers.  There are code words used by companies to let the agency know who they are looking for, or more importantly who not, so blatant discrimination is not visible.  Very difficult to prove discrimination in these cases, and requires a lot of investigative time and resources.  At least once a year some news outfit will do a story revealing one of these places, but if they catch one, how many others are still in the shadows?

BTW, Drugs are also against the law, but they are everywhere.

Jul 16, 2020 - 9:11:25 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by BanjoLink

Quote: "High prices for gun permits are to keep guns out of the hands of poor blacks. Yes, some poor whites also get caught up in the web, but rich white people don't want them having guns either."

Not sure what you are talking about here Dave. There are no permit fees to own firearms where I live. Maybe where you live permits are high to keep guns from blacks and poor people, but in South Carolina, and I think neighboring states as well, we are not trying to keep guns out of the hands of minorities ..... criminal, both black and white, yes, but not minorities.


The advantage of (for now) having separate state laws.  New York City was the source for the Saturday Night Special problem that took affordable guns off the market.  You are (for now) lucky to be living in South Carolina, but what is going on in Virginia and North Carolina is coming soon to a legislature near you.  Our Connecticut Governor tried to triple+ the fee for pistol permits a few years ago, and it was the discrimination argument that kept it from happening.  BTW, can you enlighten me on what is being done in S.C. to keep guns out of the hands of criminals? 

Jul 16, 2020 - 9:20:20 AM

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a couple of years ago i think i gave 15 bucks for 5 permits and they were good for 5 years ,,,pretty sure thats right.

Jul 16, 2020 - 9:24:48 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by 1935tb-11
quote:
Originally posted by Edthebanjo
quote:
Originally posted by DC5
quote:
Originally posted by Edthebanjo

I think government should be investing more money into poorer areas anyway, and then as a result those who are on the lower end of the financial spectrum will benefit, whether they're black or not.

But apparently that's not enough. It has to be turned on its head so that the identified racial group (black people) are the targeted benefactors, because this means that any opposition can be regarded as racism. This is identity politics, and its ugly.

The way I see it, the only way we could possibly hope for social racial equality (legal equality has already been achieved), is if we stop trying to group people by race and treating that group as a collective... which by the way is the fundamental idea of racism, and start to treat people as individuals with individual responsibility. We just need to do away with all this 'group-identity' twaddle.


This is arguably false.  The majority of drug laws were implemented to harm, control, or imprison blacks.  ( Read the history of Nixon's "War on Drugs")  Look at the penalties, for example, between powdered cocaine and crack cocaine.  The former is (was) the preferred drug of high achieving whites, the latter is an affordable poor man's version.  Virtually every gun law passed in the U.S. was done with the intention of keeping guns out of the hands of black people.  (Look up Saturday Night Specials) The courts may treat all that come before them equally, but the laws that brought them there are not equal, to borrow from Voltaire, the law treats all people equally in that it is just as illegal for a rich man to live under a bridge as a poor man. 


That's not evidence that there isn't legal equality nowadays though... the penalties for breaking the law are the same for anyone of any race. 


the reason the powder from was more expensive is because it was higher quality,, not because it was directed to blacks... dealer don't give a crap what color you are as long as its GREEN.  if anyone has the dough to spend on coke ,, its better spent on getting help or bettering them self.    this whoa is me cause great great great grandpa was a slave is getting thin.   

 poor don't know color.. poor is paying 16.50 a week for rent and 3 brothers sleeping in the same room,, and it better be on time. poor is waking up and it so cold the water in the toilet bowl is froze cause you didn't have money for oil.  poor is walking or biking to work for several months till you get your car fixed,, poor is living off bologna sandwiches and ramen noodles for weeks .,,,  i worked my ass off from the age of 15 to 19  starting at 1.60 an hour till i got a better job  and worked my way out of there.  by the time i was 19 ,,graduated at 17 ,, i was married and doing ok.  how do i know all this ,,, caused i lived it.    today has 10 times more opportunities then 45 or 50 years ago.  young folks today are much smarter ,, more socially adapt,, have the world at the tips of their fingers.   so this cryin about how hard it is for people of color or any young person for that fact  ,,needs to go a look back from where we were and how far we have come.


I too started work at low wages.  $1.35/hour at one job in a store, and $3.00/day on a dairy farm.  Worked my way up and educated myself to work my way up further.  Finally got to the point where when the rug was ripped out from under me I had someplace to fall and start over.  But looking back at every job I had prior to 1990, there were no black employees, and most of the jobs since then had few.  I attended all white public schools until 7th grade, and at my community college you could count the number of black students on your fingers.  Up until recently I felt the same way you did, but working in inner city schools opened my eyes more, but the best thing was the video someone posted a link to a couple weeks ago about the Monopoly analogy.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-53017667/black-lives-matter-how-can-we-win-monopoly-analogy-explained

If you can't see the difference after that then there is no point continuing the conversation.

BTW, as bad as blacks have had it in the U.S. and other countries, women of all colors have been treated worse by all segments of society.  As soon as they were freed, black men had all the rights of white men, including the right to vote.  Women didn't gain this right for decades after the Emancipation Proclamation. 

Jul 16, 2020 - 10:28:51 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by DC5
quote:
Originally posted by BanjoLink

Quote: "High prices for gun permits are to keep guns out of the hands of poor blacks. Yes, some poor whites also get caught up in the web, but rich white people don't want them having guns either."

Not sure what you are talking about here Dave. There are no permit fees to own firearms where I live. Maybe where you live permits are high to keep guns from blacks and poor people, but in South Carolina, and I think neighboring states as well, we are not trying to keep guns out of the hands of minorities ..... criminal, both black and white, yes, but not minorities.


The advantage of (for now) having separate state laws.  New York City was the source for the Saturday Night Special problem that took affordable guns off the market.  You are (for now) lucky to be living in South Carolina, but what is going on in Virginia and North Carolina is coming soon to a legislature near you.  Our Connecticut Governor tried to triple+ the fee for pistol permits a few years ago, and it was the discrimination argument that kept it from happening.  BTW, can you enlighten me on what is being done in S.C. to keep guns out of the hands of criminals? 


Dave, I think the high permits in your state and wherever were to discourage anyone from having a gun, not just blacks.  However, since it affected the poorer population more, then it probably had more effect on the black population.  South Carolina is a lot different from both Virginia and North Carolina, but as our larger cities expand with non-native residents (midwest and north primarily) I don't doubt that it will eventually reach us.  We ate only 60 miles from Asheville, but way different from them.

As far as keeping guns out of the hands of criminals we are probably doing about as much as your state .... not enough.  But we are not punishing legal and law abiding gun owners in the process.  If our law enforcement agencies had been more on the ball and communicated better that little creep that killed 9 people in the Charleston church would not have had the gun he used in the murders ...... maybe another one, but not that one!

Jul 16, 2020 - 10:35:26 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by DC5
quote:
Originally posted by Tractor1

Isn't discrimination in housing and jobs against the law -already ----so what gives --


Illegal, but difficult to prove.  If a landlord or company puts an add, they need to pretty much give it to the first qualifying applicant.  But if they go through an agency, the agency does not need to list all available jobs to all seekers.  Person W and Person B go into an agency seeking an apartment, or job and the agency steers them toward, or away from certain landlords or hiring managers.  There are code words used by companies to let the agency know who they are looking for, or more importantly who not, so blatant discrimination is not visible.  Very difficult to prove discrimination in these cases, and requires a lot of investigative time and resources.  At least once a year some news outfit will do a story revealing one of these places, but if they catch one, how many others are still in the shadows?

BTW, Drugs are also against the law, but they are everywhere.


Mr. Dave thanks for your response

BTW  the snip about Drugs against the law  . and still around --  I already knew that,  --I was asking what I asked ''.What gives'' was --my --way  of ---- asking why it was not working--- ----when you did not respond --I figured you were not --- so  I went onward in the topic-

First of all you mentioned ''some news agency'' to the man that has blasted news agencies  already on this page--- so you  can correctly surmise---- I am not to swayed by just that.

Loop holes and work arounds abound for sure. Figurehead black companies is one of the  I have seen be a win win for all races,in the late 70s. The real estate trick you mentioned --I agree --those doing that -should have a hurting put on them--But that is as far as I see it should go among good men.

As far as who lurks in the shadows --about all kinds --percentage wise it would have to be surveyed. I

Edited by - Tractor1 on 07/16/2020 10:38:20

Jul 16, 2020 - 10:39:16 AM
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CT is still a must issue state. If you can afford the classes, afford the permit, and pass the fingerprint and FBI background check they have to give you a permit. Massachusetts, just 5 miles to the north of me, is a may issue state. After you go through all of the above, along with 3 letters of recommendation on letterhead stationary, it is up to the local police chief whether or not you get a permit. This is great, as long as you don't have a prejudice police chief. I know some towns that no-one who is not well connected gets a permit. I, personally, also have never met a police officer who was not prejudice. I'm sure there are many, I've just never known one.
Many of the first gun laws, and there were virtually none prior to the Civil War, appeared in the south with the specific goal of keeping guns out of the hands of freed slaves.

My permit ends at the state line. For me to legally carry 5 miles north of me I need to apply for an out of state permit in Mass. They charge $100/year for said permit.

Jul 16, 2020 - 10:47:59 AM

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I don't want shot any more so by a white guy---sorry ain't no way I can let that pass Dave --you owe me a little punch.
100 a year for a permit--my God --Should be about like a driver's license imo but no--I ain't ready to do --gun vs.anti--gun

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