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Jul 11, 2020 - 5:17:27 AM
3139 posts since 9/12/2016

fell from being viewed as good

I wonder about their encounters --- with the deeds of their parents etc.----- and their private assessments.
Maybe they could add an explanatory first name---- if they still felt they were worthy to stay on the planet.

Maybe   claim Illegitimate or marry into an accepted family and take lessons on how to cope with post generation stress----back before anger management was available.

I am so lucky to be a handsome banjo playing (kinda) nobody

Hellfordad Hitler---Bendover Mousolini-----Didn't Dalmer

Edited by - Tractor1 on 07/11/2020 06:06:13

Jul 11, 2020 - 5:42:03 AM
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4759 posts since 10/6/2009

Maybe the thread title would best be “fallen criminals” or “fallen traitors”? Just a suggestion, especially given your three examples

Jul 11, 2020 - 6:04:23 AM
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No problema Bolie --I went from fallen hero --to fell from being viewed as good ---to those that will wonder about it.----- I tried to stir it away from my desire to make it civil war and more into plain old fallen used to bes----It might make a better saturday dust kick--that way.
Now Bolie come on man--you give us a couple

Jul 11, 2020 - 6:04:45 AM
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4759 posts since 10/6/2009

I think the change from "fallen heroes" to the new thread title ("fallen while being viewed as good") works better (although I didn't realize that Jeffrey Dahmer "fell being viewed as good", lol)

Edited by - Bolie Jackson on 07/11/2020 06:19:30

Jul 11, 2020 - 6:06:30 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Tractor1

No problema Bolie --I went from fallen hero --to fell from being viewed as good ---to those that will wonder about it.----- I tried to stir it away from my desire to make it civil war and more into plain old fallen used to bes----It might make a better saturday dust kick--that way.
Now Bolie come on man--you give us a couple


I hear ya Tom. A couple of what? Names of infamous family names that would embarrass their descendants?

Jul 11, 2020 - 6:10:53 AM

3139 posts since 9/12/2016

in that case not bad =good
bad or good tends to be meaningless if the other dies-----kinda like looking for --outside of infinity--

put yourself in their shoes ,,,,waking up this morning    --me I would have to laugh at my  situation ---and make jokes-

Edited by - Tractor1 on 07/11/2020 06:17:01

Jul 11, 2020 - 6:15:13 AM
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55110 posts since 12/14/2005

Reports are that Mr. Dahmer had a religious conversion while in prison, and the Rules of that particular religion are that serial murderers can and do go to a perfectly pleasant afterlife.
So, apparently, he BECAME good.

Anyway, there are other people with the same LAST names as some very infamous characters, even if they are NOT related.

There even was an episode of "BONES", where the FBI upper management was giving the "SEELEY BOOTH" character some crap, because he was a distant relative of the White Supremacist who shot Abe Lincoln.

Jul 11, 2020 - 6:26:44 AM

3139 posts since 9/12/2016

kinda like a name getting a dose of imminent domain

Didn't some native american  tribes endow  there members with names based on action's -------like Jay Peg Gregory --- or  Running with R Women

Edited by - Tractor1 on 07/11/2020 06:34:55

Jul 11, 2020 - 7:07:20 AM

3139 posts since 9/12/2016

There would be a lot worse places to awaken. I am personally very lucky
I cured most of my race issues yesterday ,by clicking past the news . wow duhh

Jul 11, 2020 - 7:10:40 AM
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figmo59

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31604 posts since 3/5/2008

I'm wonderin...
If in the past yer ancestors did bad...then you..havin not being guilty of any crime..
Should pay other fer yer ancestors ..um crimes...

Then mebee it would be fair...that ..if yer ancestors did..good...

Then the World...Owe ya.... ah crapload..of $.... :0/

Jul 11, 2020 - 8:58:15 AM
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Sins of the fathers?
That sounds like grudge thinking.

Jul 11, 2020 - 9:13:56 AM

3139 posts since 9/12/2016

Grudge thinking --boy that is a new one for me,,I am going to have to find out if I am for it or against it.
I am out there splitting wood -----esta manana--listening for my first time to ''Pickin on Lynard Skinner" -----I still like---SUUUTHEEERRRN in my rock and roll .but where in hades was Curtis Lowe on this get together

Jul 11, 2020 - 8:15:09 PM
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55110 posts since 12/14/2005

"MY grudge thinking is that this is the SMALLEST grudge I've ever nursed!"

-Beatriz Marlednet, R.N.-

Jul 11, 2020 - 9:28:33 PM

5134 posts since 9/5/2006

well judas and benedict are 2 that come to mind,,but thats my skewed church bringing up and public school learning.

Jul 11, 2020 - 9:41:17 PM

3139 posts since 9/12/2016

Sometimes I wonder if there are powers that helped our species come to be -----do they ever wonder to themselves ''what was I thinking"

Jul 11, 2020 - 9:43:40 PM
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3139 posts since 9/12/2016

Sins of the Fathers sounds like a good name for a mad at everything type band

Jul 11, 2020 - 9:43:45 PM
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5134 posts since 9/5/2006

quote:
Originally posted by Tractor1

Sometimes I wonder if there are powers that helped our species come to be -----do they ever wonder to themselves ''what was I thinking"


most assuredly  !!!!!

Jul 12, 2020 - 5:34:51 AM
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12273 posts since 6/30/2015

No one should claim either credit, nor blame for the actions of others, even those in your own family.

Personal experience. I am the grandson of David Clark, of the David Clark Company in Worcester Massachusetts. davidclarkcompany.com/ DC makes protective equipment, communication headsets, and space suits. Any of you as pilots are familiar with David Clark Headsets.

I am named after him, and grew up in the Worcester area. Living under his shadow was very difficult. I did not do well in school, especially in arithmetic. Teachers would always compare me to my grandfather, and often embarrass me in front of the class with comments like, "What would your grandfather think of these grades". When I pointed out that my grandfather dropped out of school in the 8th grade I was then punished for being a wise ass. Even today I get asked, "if David Clark was your grandfather, why aren't you rich?" As if I have any claim to his money. I am proud of the things my grandfather has accomplished, but I did not accomplish them, and I have no claim to them.

Actually, my grandfather lived the dream. He made enough that he and his wife could live comfortably, and when his wife passed away several years after him, she was broke. He managed to spend all he made in his immediate lifetime, taking care of his spouse. Her money ran out just about the time that she did, but she still lived comfortably in a high end nursing home until the end. I still smile when I see DC headsets on TV in helicopter scenes, and often at football games.

Jul 12, 2020 - 6:30:02 AM
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2941 posts since 10/17/2009

Dave Clark... do you ever get asked if he have side gig with a band in the 60's?

Jul 12, 2020 - 6:34:09 AM
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Originally posted by 1935tb-11

well judas and benedict are 2 that come to mind,,but thats my skewed church bringing up and public school learning.


Which triggered a question in MY head:

Was the child who grew up to  be "B.A. Barabas" of the A Team named "Benedict Arnold", which resulted in a LOT of schoolyard bullying, which caused him to become such a fierce fighter?

Jul 12, 2020 - 6:45:29 AM
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No one should claim either credit, nor blame for the actions of others, even those in your own family.

I think most folks can rationalize that and agree with that... at least the blame, bad side. But naturally might be inclined to boast about the good side, as a bit reflection of themselves?

A related question...  about your own legacy you leave with your children and grandchildren.  Would it matter to folks in how they might either be able to boast, or be ashamed? Is that something that might cause reflection in what you say or do? Or in how your actions might affect their lives (good or bad)

Edited by - banjoak on 07/12/2020 06:47:35

Jul 12, 2020 - 6:48:34 AM
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DC5

USA

12273 posts since 6/30/2015

quote:
Originally posted by banjoak

Dave Clark... do you ever get asked if he have side gig with a band in the 60's?


Only by really really old people wink

Jul 12, 2020 - 6:51:51 AM

3139 posts since 9/12/2016

ouch

Jul 12, 2020 - 8:32:31 AM

1965 posts since 2/10/2013

Parties writing history books "sanitize" their role. And often, one parties historical documentation only represents that countries writings, but is unquestionably accepted as the accurate. Until recently, Persian historical documentation was ignored. Historians just relied on writings by Greeks. For example, the Greek murder of Persian envoys started the Greco=Persian War. Both Athens and Sparta murdered the Persian envoys.

Just like geographic maps, history books will eventually be rewritten. Villains will become heros and the opposite will also happen. Some individuals considered villains in western nations are considered a hero in their native countries.

Jul 12, 2020 - 4:43:03 PM

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We tend to be more like our grandparents than our parents,I once read.
I find it very easy to try and emulate Gramp.He was a good man.

Jul 12, 2020 - 4:49:25 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Tractor1

ouch


 

hey !!! i resemble that remark !   DC5 kicked a*#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EipdAjhImrc

Edited by - 1935tb-11 on 07/12/2020 16:51:53

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