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Jul 7, 2020 - 5:34:15 AM
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3138 posts since 9/12/2016

What if you were known to advocate your own race and use derogatory words against abrasive individuals in another race , other non -perfects ----that had roused your anger---------What if you poked fun at their seemingly silly cultural pass times. --You never were concerned with the exact fairness of such ,------- but spent your thoughts elsewhere.-----Then all of a sudden not unlike an African slave. ---You are forced on a ship to go across the ocean . This time by the United States military draft.. ---All of a sudden you are kicked off the boat ,to march into Japanese-German-Russian machine gun fire ---You die right there and you name is only left on a marble slab on a foreign grave ------The generals in that battle----ha ha SOMEHOW survive ----- they even get---- a bit of immortality in the books but not a person in the lower class.. Is your gravestone to be tore down ?? Btw the hate that everyone loves throwing around on social media is the fuel for these wars

Jul 7, 2020 - 5:40:21 AM
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12115 posts since 6/30/2015

Interesting food for thought.

Jul 7, 2020 - 6:37:55 AM
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Paul R

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There wasn't any social media in 1939. Hate can be stirred up without it. Soial media just makes it more immediate and more easily spread, but wars were started without it for millenia.

Wars may be fought ostensibly for ideology, but at heart are for economic gain, e.g.: the Japanese in WWII needed resources, especially the oil on Indonesia, the Germans in WWII wanted more land for their "lebensraum" policy of expansion. Pick a war and you'll find that someone will get economic rewards if they win. Thanks to WWII the U.S.A. became the world's foremost military and economic superpower.

Jul 7, 2020 - 7:31:40 AM

3138 posts since 9/12/2016

all true and good thoughts Paul.,,,,,I also did not figure on---- any local news casters at the witch trials or hangings.

The hate of others has to be there ,or at least the enjoyment of getting in a painful blow to John Doe is part of the mix . When we take it out of our rings and put it in the streets ,for our own war making , it matures . I know we are guilty ,but it is fun to try sometimes ------Try to , kill em with kindness It can confuse the hell out of those ,that are ready to explode -----nuff said

Jul 7, 2020 - 7:45:27 AM
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2755 posts since 4/29/2012

What if you invented an absurd impossibility such as confiscation of banjos or removal of World War II graves (I assume that's what you mean, though why anybody would have been marching into German, Japanese and RUSSIAN machine gun fire then is baffling. Did they get lost ? ). What if you equated this with removal of statues put up 50 years and more after the event to bolster heroic myths about the racist leaders of an armed insurrection against a democratically elected government (or in the most famous UK case a statue erected 250 years later as a rearguard action by an un-elected elite who saw their power waning).

Jul 7, 2020 - 7:56:33 AM

3138 posts since 9/12/2016

Nobody said removal of graves.----- D-day happened - ------there were those types there imo-- it is equal to the cure being used as a blanket '' cure all''''

.In the UK case, I am not up on it and don't care .  I don't have a dog in that hunt.

Across the other ocean are other beaches and dense jungles

Edited by - Tractor1 on 07/07/2020 08:09:41

Jul 7, 2020 - 10:32:31 AM
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donc

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6353 posts since 2/9/2010

Racial hatred is a really big problem. In reality making jokes about other races or nationalities is probably a lot more common. As long as you don't do it in a setting that offends or embarrasses another person I don't believe a joke or two should be the end of the world. There are plenty of jokes about women and men will all have a good laugh among themselves while still being very protective of their own mothers, daughters, and wives. Some of the women's jokes about men aren't exactly flattering but I've never felt injured by those jokes. I live in a multi- racial community. Often those of a particular race will be the originators of a popular joke. As my dad's old friend Harry would say " I never mind being called a jew but what I don't like is when someone calls me dammed jew. "

Jul 7, 2020 - 11:39:16 AM

3138 posts since 9/12/2016

In some circles it is great,but sometimes you get an idiot that really does not have much of a joke to overcome a stereotype that is essential for the punchline. Someone has to take the punch line.
My brother was telling his lawyer how someone was ''jewing someone down'' the lawyer says no he was'' christening him down''

Jul 7, 2020 - 11:49:30 AM

3138 posts since 9/12/2016

Actually to the original thread, It seems the feds are actually working on creating rules , to judge ,the take away setting on statues. Airforce bases in the South will be losing Confederate general names.

Jul 7, 2020 - 12:54:03 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Tractor1

What if

Then all of a sudden not unlike an African slave.

to march into Japanese-German-Russian machine gun fire

Is your gravestone to be tore down ??


What if:

People didn't make silly comparisons.

Knew something about history.

Didn't come up with very odd ideas.

Jul 7, 2020 - 1:02:01 PM
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72478 posts since 5/9/2007

You totally lost me with "...known to advocate your own race and use derogatory words against individuals of another race..."

Jul 7, 2020 - 1:04:26 PM
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figmo59

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31533 posts since 3/5/2008

quote:
Originally posted by GrahamHawker
quote:
Originally posted by Tractor1

What if

Then all of a sudden not unlike an African slave.

to march into Japanese-German-Russian machine gun fire

Is your gravestone to be tore down ??


What if:

People didn't make silly comparisons.

Knew something about history.

Didn't come up with very odd ideas.


The bho would cease to iggzist.... ;0)

Jul 7, 2020 - 1:32:04 PM

3138 posts since 9/12/2016

so storming beaches is not something --------- to be known about history
odd but a bonafide comparison that cast light where I want to cast it
aesop and confuscious were people that made silly comparisons in that history that is  said  ----to be ---not known.
what if people steal your catch phrase and throw it back ,with sifted phrases

I can't see where it's meaning seems vague Steve. People are known for many things .Many things they do pro and con.

Edited by - Tractor1 on 07/07/2020 13:36:55

Jul 7, 2020 - 1:50:06 PM

3138 posts since 9/12/2016

there is more than one beach and one  lst  a plural you

Edited by - Tractor1 on 07/07/2020 14:01:32

Jul 7, 2020 - 3:49:32 PM

3138 posts since 9/12/2016

If one wants to get me on a fine point ---I should have said Generals in those battles..but it worked out good ,because your identical blows about not knowing history hit the wrong target. I was speaking of both theaters, as they were called.
The point is ,{if you try to calm down.and be civil} . I will try to talk but i am not going to give much time to a nastiness contest.
I am dumb on this . I did not live next to these so called bad folks. Of course not ----they are dead. I don't know why they entered the war .I never heard their view on slavery.
I know Robert E Lee lost his land . The lesser ones would be even less visible in the books. Things have been accounted for that were reasons to join the Confederacy besides the one----that is always cast to the forefront. It was a long way from that simple overall reason.

the simple view of John Q herd mentality
A bad person is a bad person .Their bad qualities are proclaimed --- Any good qualities are brought sparingly into the conversation about them --if at all ---most people have a certain amount of both qualities. A percentage
The good person is mostly a recipient of accolades for their good qualities but their bad seems to not surface. They ALSO--- tend to have a percentage of bad qualities ,but these are----- downplayed by their followers.
Living in the proximity of these folks and knowing them for real ------,would bring in a person ,that none of us knew too well---until we moved into their neighborhood.The real person in other words.

as far as lost the war,  and thus the ground belongs to the north.  -----Before that , the U,S, took the land from  England  .England  had no right to call it theirs  ---,from   some fair trade  ,but that never held England  back. 

The Native Chiefs would have to be grandfathered in----- as the town square  totem pole to be politically correct. They were a cool bunch to listen to. Their speeches are so much to the point and realistic.

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Edited by - Tractor1 on 07/07/2020 16:17:33

Jul 8, 2020 - 9:37:26 AM

17 posts since 7/6/2020

Not really sure what this has to do with banjos, except that crack 'bout confiscating them . Not a bad idea. The World would be a quieter place to live in. Anyways, enlightened by this forum as one can be, I took my Adolf statue down . Thats Adolf ( Adolphe) Sax, and my sax life was gone in a blink.
And "what if" there were no saxophones.

Jul 8, 2020 - 10:03:14 AM

3138 posts since 9/12/2016

sacks of phones
BTW this is the off topic Turban ------welcome to the river of stupidity ----,but sitting on the bank.

Jul 8, 2020 - 10:07:10 AM

17 posts since 7/6/2020

And watchin' it go by slowly.

Jul 8, 2020 - 12:30:39 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by turban cowboy

Not really sure what this has to do with banjos, except that crack 'bout confiscating them . Not a bad idea. The World would be a quieter place to live in. Anyways, enlightened by this forum as one can be, I took my Adolf statue down . Thats Adolf ( Adolphe) Sax, and my sax life was gone in a blink.
And "what if" there were no saxophones.


There is too much Sax and Violins.

Jul 8, 2020 - 12:32:54 PM
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Santa Claus has thousands of slave labor elves cranking out toys all year round, yet we still allow him in stores and shopping malls and encourage little children to sit on his lap for pictures.

Jul 9, 2020 - 6:33:20 AM

3138 posts since 9/12/2016

I picked this up from a thread ,where it was straying from the topic  entirely in my opinion.

A grave and a gravestone are not the same.
A grave without a stone could be an eternal banishment. This was my thinking from the ''get go''. wrong conclusions were made

Edited by - Tractor1 on 07/09/2020 06:41:39

Jul 9, 2020 - 6:45:50 AM
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55049 posts since 12/14/2005

Hirohito's troops killed soldiers of the U.S. Army.
Hitler's troops killed soldiers of the U.S. Army.
Robert E. Lee's troops killed soldiers of the U.S. Army.

Why honor anybody whose troops killed soldiers of the U.S. Army?

Here's a LONG, but interesting video where the guy explains how we Americans have had some very unpleasant facts removed from our nation's educational system, about our nation's history.

(An hour and 40 minutes. Won't fit on a bumper sticker.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOPGpE-sXh0

Jul 9, 2020 - 6:56:10 AM

3138 posts since 9/12/2016

It ain't that simple on Robert E . lee and the Civil War . .Honor does not have to be the only thing carved on a piece of stone . I never said anything about honoring anyone ,.My view is at the post 7-7 6;49 pm. I don't  follow links much  but thanks for the offer

Edited by - Tractor1 on 07/09/2020 06:57:35

Jul 9, 2020 - 7:27:20 AM
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72478 posts since 5/9/2007

Public display of a statue infers "honoring".

Jul 9, 2020 - 7:53:29 AM

3138 posts since 9/12/2016

that is not the way I see that it has to be seen. but yes good fuel for a man to man assessment . I have mentioned presentation around here several times.

Ky has a strange one going on about a painting by Wendell Berry now.

Jul 9, 2020 - 8:57:53 AM
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Everybody's a critic.

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