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Jul 4, 2020 - 7:32:48 PM
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65 posts since 6/2/2009

"A" START...and no broken arm !
short,comic,reel,WATCH...Old-Time,silent moving pictures:

Vimeo link below...only 44 seconds long:
https://vimeo.com/435389638

STONEY LONESOME PRODUCTIONS™
https://vimeo.com/channels/stoneylonesome

Edited by - adcartoun on 07/04/2020 19:34:05

Jul 6, 2020 - 7:36:07 AM

55110 posts since 12/14/2005

The ritual reminds me of something I read umdiddy years ago:

The author claimed that the electric starter made suburban sprawl possible, since housewives without the MUSCLE to crank an engine, no longer had to live within walking distance of the shops and stores.

Jul 6, 2020 - 7:52:53 AM
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DC5

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12273 posts since 6/30/2015

My motorcycle friends who all hate it that modern road bikes no longer come with kick starters often need to be reminded that cars no longer come with crank starters, and no one complains about that.

I had to prop start a Cesna once. Don't care to do it again.

Jul 6, 2020 - 8:01:02 AM
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rinemb

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12425 posts since 5/24/2005
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I would have been stalled out many times, if I didn't have a kick start, back in the day. Either from not being able to afford a new battery, or it was stolen. A frequent occurrence parking at a University Parking lot, in the early 70s.

brad

Jul 6, 2020 - 8:23:59 AM

5277 posts since 9/16/2004

Nice video.  Following the starting procedure of a Model A Ford was another short video of various steam engines from the same period. 

Among the most complicated mechanical devices of that era was the Walschaerts valve gear used on steam engines.   The Walschaerts mechanism increased power and conserved steam energy.  The attached 52 second YouTube animation makes it clear... oh yeah! frown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKH9TYhz3LA

Jul 6, 2020 - 12:15:24 PM
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rinemb

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I had a 30 Model A in high school. With electric start. Kept a crank under the seat but never used it. Lots of my friends had starters out in HS. But they just curbed the front wheel on on a down hill slope, so they could do a coasting clutch start in the morning. Rest of the day, count on their buddies for a push if no hill around.
Trouble was, in Wichita, not many hills. ;-) Brad

Jul 6, 2020 - 12:22:03 PM
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DC5

USA

12273 posts since 6/30/2015

quote:
Originally posted by rinemb

I would have been stalled out many times, if I didn't have a kick start, back in the day. Either from not being able to afford a new battery, or it was stolen. A frequent occurrence parking at a University Parking lot, in the early 70s.

brad


Totally agree, In the 70's I wouldn't want a bike without a kicker, but todays bikes, with all the electronic bells and whistles, and the reliable starters, a kicker is not longer necessary.  If your battery is dead, the bike ain't going to run for long - just like a car.  The alternator doesn't push out enough to keep you going with a dead battery.  Now if it just needs a charge you can still bump start it, but when you turn off the key there is nothing left on to drain the battery.  I loved my Honda 750-Four kick starter.  I'd watch all my HD friends jumping and jumping to get their bikes started and I would reach down with my hand and push the kick starter once and the bike would roar to life. 

Jul 6, 2020 - 7:57:40 PM
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5277 posts since 9/16/2004

Hand cranks and kick starters are desirable features on vehicles with Lucas electrics.

... you'd have to own them to know the validity of the above

Jul 7, 2020 - 5:01:31 AM
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heavy5

USA

1267 posts since 11/3/2016

Owned a Honda XL 600 thumper for a few years --- glad it had a compression release incorporated into the kick start . Rode it mostly on the road as I didn't consider it very nimble in the woods .

Jul 7, 2020 - 2:14:55 PM
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RonR

USA

1663 posts since 11/29/2012

I ride this 1942 racer around the block when I can find someone with better knees then myself to kick it through


 

Jul 7, 2020 - 7:00:25 PM
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kww

USA

148 posts since 6/21/2008

I still have a crank start on my truck, which I used once just to prove I could. The start circuit itself is interesting: I pull on a knob inside the cab. That knob is connected to a spring-loaded copper bar. That bar completes the battery connection to the starter, and once it starts, I let go of the knob and the spring breaks the circuit for me.


 

Jul 7, 2020 - 7:24:41 PM
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55110 posts since 12/14/2005

quote:
Originally posted by RonR

I ride this 1942 racer around the block when I can find someone with better knees then myself to kick it through


So, you have a WINCH in your garage, which will pull it BACKWARDS up a ramp.

Then, when you want to ride, you put it in high, disengage the clutch, get it rolling, and pop the clutch.

Or don't motorcycle transmissions work that way?

PLAN B

A hard rubber wheel on an electric drill, to get the wheel spinning, and then pop the clutch.

All I have is a 150 cc rice grinder, but  I know that WANTING to ride and not being ABLE to get 'r going makes for a cussy day.

Jul 7, 2020 - 7:56:18 PM
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2941 posts since 10/17/2009

I remember being a skinny teenager trying to kick start my older brother's big Honda... just wasn't going to happen. But I could get enough momentum to push start it. 

My kids and their friends had similarly discovered in their old small light car  with manual transmission... that with a few friends can push start it if needed. Parking it facing downhill helped too.

Jul 8, 2020 - 3:06:38 AM
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OM45GE

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My 1984 Harley Wide Glide has both electric and kick starters. The kicker has got me going a couple of times when the battery was iffy.

Years ago I cracked my kneecap when my BSA Spitfire kicked back and drove my knee into the handlebar. I was gimping around for weeks after that one.


 

Edited by - OM45GE on 07/08/2020 03:07:16

Jul 8, 2020 - 6:50 AM
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figmo59

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31604 posts since 3/5/2008

quote:
Originally posted by heavy5

Owned a Honda XL 600 thumper for a few years --- glad it had a compression release incorporated into the kick start . Rode it mostly on the road as I didn't consider it very nimble in the woods .


I had ah Yamahahahah...SR 500...

Great little bike fer short jawnts..

Vibrated alot...n skinny seat.. :0/

I never used the compression release...

Just brought the one piston..just past tdc....

One thump n started ever time..

 

 

I did hyper extend me right knee on ah Harley 900 sportster....

Tried to start it in me then basement...tore the cartalidge on both sides of me right knee..

Made a sound ..like a 30-30 winchester..goin off in the basement..(not the bike but me knee)... :0/

 

Bother sides of me knee.. turned...Purple n Blue...

 

Bought ah newer Sportster...after that... to be abell to complain about a ..."sprained"thumb  thumb aftah that.... :-/

Jul 8, 2020 - 6:58:49 AM
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figmo59

USA

31604 posts since 3/5/2008

quote:
Originally posted by banjoak

I remember being a skinny teenager trying to kick start my older brother's big Honda... just wasn't going to happen. But I could get enough momentum to push start it. 

My kids and their friends had similarly discovered in their old small light car  with manual transmission... that with a few friends can push start it if needed. Parking it facing downhill helped too.


I had ah buddy...real little n skinny guy..(not that I'm some big prize)...

Who routinely started ah Kawi1000....by kick...

He would prop the bike up.. pull out the kick start..

N. Then stand at the  Handel bars.. n jump with both feet..

On the...um...Jump Starter.. ;0)

He would just git tossed off the starter ah bit.. kinda trotted..to catch himself..

Climb aboard.. n..Scream... down the road.. ;0)

 

It's all in ...atch'tood... :0)

Edited by - figmo59 on 07/08/2020 07:01:22

Jul 8, 2020 - 7:32:46 AM
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OM45GE

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Back in the sixties I saw this skinny little biker dude kick start his Harley Panhead chopper. He stood on the right peg with his left leg and on the kickstarter with his right leg and sort of jumped so his body weight (what there was of it) came down on the starter. Somehow he ended up with his left foot on the ground behind and outside of his right leg. It made a big impression on me. The bike fired right up but I’ve always thought that if the Harley kicked back he would get a flying lesson.

Jul 8, 2020 - 9:14:53 AM
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heavy5

USA

1267 posts since 11/3/2016

Almost forgot about this kick starter I got out of junkyard in my late teens & had to do some diggin to find a pic of one . That Harley 45 pan head 3 wheeler wasn't as nice as the one pictured --no fenders , etc , but had the utility unpadded box & essential parts & ran very well -- I don't think I paid over $ 50 for it . Took the box off it & it was pretty quick & learned u could squeal tires on a dirt road ! Shifter on left side of tank w/ REVERSE !
One amazing thing was in the dead of winter I would put the batt in & I don't remember what weight oil it had , probably straight 30 or 40 ,but standing on the kick lever , if I could just get it to ker-chug , the damn thing would start !!
My grandfather was not one to let things clutter the backyard & when I came home from basic training he had gotten rid of it !   angry


 

Edited by - heavy5 on 07/08/2020 09:19:52

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