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Jul 4, 2020 - 10:37:24 AM
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3136 posts since 9/12/2016

At first I hated their violations of others right to be seen or not seen .but that is ---- water under the bridge on that.
The good news is the few bad cops and a lot of evil is now captured in a visual record.
The bad cops are being'' watched '',so this is an end to that. sooner or later .probably soon.
The bad news is------ some good cops are now afraid to------- pull their weapons and do their jobs . This may cause them to lose ---------what they should be able to win.They are going to have to get ---------------some leeway from those'' quick to judge from afar-------- No one of good chacter ---- likes to see another get brought under control by force ,but it happens .

resisting arrests or not halting when ordered ,  should be dissed'' often'' by all . That would help  imo .Bad arrests can be repaired in the courts .

one man's opinion I ask no one to agree

Edited by - Tractor1 on 07/04/2020 13:38:15

Jul 4, 2020 - 12:25:59 PM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

24603 posts since 8/3/2003

I think if the people who are disrespecting the police had to do their job for a few days, they'd have a better understanding of what happens and why. Split second decisions have to be made and it's their main hope to go home to their families after every shift. If they have to stop, think, take the time to analyze every situation, we're going to have a lot more dead/injured cops. Just my 2 cents and I don't care whether people agree or disagree. I won't change my mind and they probably won't change theirs until they've been there, done that.

Jul 4, 2020 - 1:27:38 PM
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Brian T

Canada

16705 posts since 6/5/2008

Those are facts of life. The police almost never know who is armed and with what.

I do not, for a minute, pick a side in some deadly recent disputes.
We are not told any more than it takes to make an inflammatory story to sell news.
Tell one side. Make it sound really bad with some hysterical choice of words.

Jul 5, 2020 - 7:02:51 AM
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1940 posts since 2/10/2013

Yeah, and the news services seem to have their one major news item for several months. Distancing from news reports can be as beneficial as distancing from the virus. Very little news, just repeating the same thing over and over and over again.

Jul 5, 2020 - 7:14:24 AM
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331 posts since 11/17/2015

Afraid all see from the media are the most offending minutes to those who use the videos as a platform. They usually don't show what lead up to the police actions. A crazed person on drugs or adrenaline minutes before the usual videos are maybe why things happen. I don't understand why any people do not obey police commands, sit, hand on their head etc. Once a person fights back, runs, pulls a weapon they have taken their own life in their own hands.

Jul 5, 2020 - 7:48:37 AM
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Owen

Canada

5804 posts since 6/5/2011
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Originally posted by rcwright.
<snip>  I don't understand why any people do not obey police commands, sit, hand on their head etc. Once a person fights back, runs, pulls a weapon they have taken their own life in their own hands.

I'm not advocating for people to not obey the police, but my understanding is that circumstances sometimes can be, let's say, "questionable".... police having no reasonable grounds [i.e doing it simply to harass or for their own entertainment]. 

I also see a w-i-d-e gap between immediate compliance and fight/run/pull a weapon.  My understanding is that in Canada police are only to use lethal force when their or someone's life is in imminent danger.... so if the "suspect" presents no danger, then, FWIW,  I don't see that he/she should be seen as taking his/her life into his own hands.

Jul 5, 2020 - 7:56:40 AM
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72417 posts since 5/9/2007

We're welcome to our opinions,but the actual effects of any of this are yet to be seen.
I'm glad I can't read the future.

That would take away any surprises.

Jul 5, 2020 - 8:27:56 AM
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3136 posts since 9/12/2016

A lot of us have a cop being an ass to us story and also a cop being nice story.I have several myself. I just see it as now--- the garbage that is a bad cop can not hide it now. As in extinct. I think lawsuits for such conduct will get that done.


No one around here knows much of -------how a good cop should handle it. When I ran the thread on that ,not ''much'' was addressed towards that.----- Don't resist arrest! was the best I could come up with. The cop needs to be obeyed .-----------Anything he does should be recorded .------ If you run and end up hurt ,unless it is something really out of the ordinary ,the argument that follows should favor him SUCCESSFULLY doing his job ---when you did not obey.----------- Fast runners should not be able to evade the scales of justice.

Edited by - Tractor1 on 07/05/2020 08:30:48

Jul 5, 2020 - 8:33:19 AM
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5393 posts since 9/21/2007

Accountability. I would think that all police would want to wear a body cam at all times. If the department did not provide one, the officer could buy their own.

It would show the entire story and remove doubt. If someone posts a “fragment” of a video to incite, the department could respond with the full video.

I mean, if the police are doing nothing wrong what do they have to hide? This would be for their protection.

I am very happy that the encounters are being videoed, I would encourage people to grab their phones anytime they see an encounter.

I think all vehicles should come from the factory with a dash cam. They are cheap (decent ones are around $200). When you get pulled over for “swerving” of some other nonsense you could politely demand the officer write you a citation explaining that you will just show the video leading up to the encounter in court.

Many traffic stops are excuses to go on fishing expeditions. Refuse to let them search your vehicle and they will bring in their prop dog to signal on queue. The officers will use the same tricks to get you to unlock your door or get out of the car (to get you away from the camera). A favorite is to “inspect” your vehicle and ask you to look at a tire on the front (never the back because of the officer’s own camera).

I have watched enough videos of encounters to know that police will change their behavior and often end an encounter upon seeing an active dash camera in a car.

Video also shows when officers gaslight to try and escalate an encounter. Many videos show very calm people with police shouting thing like “lower your voice” and “you need to remain calm”. They will do this before they spot the dash cams. They know that their dash cams will only capture one side and show them telling the person the “stay calm” when the person is in fact calm.

I recommend going to youtube and watching videos by “Audit the Audit” where police encounters are reviewed with legal prescience. Spend an afternoon watching those videos and you will buy a dash cam.

Jul 5, 2020 - 8:44:13 AM

3136 posts since 9/12/2016

Body cameras required won't hurt anything imo

Jul 5, 2020 - 8:45:03 AM
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55020 posts since 12/14/2005

We weren't sworn, armed law enforcement officers; just Code Enforcement Inspectors, handling everything from industrial fire prevention inspections, to doggy poop complaints.

And I told my trainees not to worry so much about the Supervisors catching them goofing off.
I reminded them that EVERY taxpayer feels overtaxed, and they pay our salary, AND most of them own camcorders. So, NEVER goof off.
And now, cellphones are an even quicker way to catch Gummint Employees not doing their jobs right, or at all.

Back in 1914, Tom Swift predicted this!

I am very much in favor of having body cams on the cops, so that they can show what happened, as opposed to a lying perp, or a pro-perp witness, or a carefully edited video.

Jul 5, 2020 - 8:50:15 AM
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bubbalouie

Canada

13946 posts since 9/27/2007

Heh Heh! A shady guy I knew snuck a beer out of a pub at last call for the way home. He was just taking a drink when a beat cop saw it. He called him over & buddy set the beer down behind the wheel of a car,

The officer found it & wrote him a ticket for drinking on the street & dummy ripped it up & started hoofing it uphill to get away. He was pretty fast but he said he heard the boots getting closer & closer until the takedown.

The cop issued him another ticket for littering & said if he tried it again he would get more tickets! He had his I.D.!

It turns out the officer jogged 10 miles to work in his boots everyday! 

Jul 5, 2020 - 9:14:10 AM
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3136 posts since 9/12/2016

we had a game warden that was known to ''not ever'' lose that race

Jul 5, 2020 - 9:56:19 AM
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bubbalouie

Canada

13946 posts since 9/27/2007

I have lots of good cop stories from being a young hoolie. I learned from other guys what Not to do.

Being respectful & cooperating with a sense of humor got me off without a problem & sometimes a ride home instead of to the lockup! I still have zero criminal charges. Not even a speeding ticket! wink

Jul 5, 2020 - 10:57:37 AM
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72417 posts since 5/9/2007

Most of the times I've been stopped for speeding have resulted in warnings and even handshakes.

Jul 5, 2020 - 11:18:24 AM
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3136 posts since 9/12/2016

Once I was flying getting back to the house after working out of town all weekend . On Danville's outer circle road he nails me , he asks how are you doing today sir. I says pretty good til about 5 minutes ago,we both just busted out laughing.

Jul 5, 2020 - 12:17:02 PM
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bubbalouie

Canada

13946 posts since 9/27/2007

A friend lived in a quiet neighbourhood & there was a stop sign that nobody ever came to a complete stop at.

He rolled through it & there was a cop. The cop asked if he knew why he pulled him over. He said no to act innocent & the officer said because he didn't stop. Buddy said " But I slowed right down!

The cop said " If I was pounding you on the head with a hammer would you rather I stopped or just slowed down?"

They both laughed & he took his ticket!

Jul 5, 2020 - 8:24:18 PM
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donc

Canada

6352 posts since 2/9/2010

Cops should not have 2 procedure manuals. There shouldn't be one procedure for when people are watching and another when you are sure you have no audience. Body cams should take care of most of that. Then we have an officer who shoots in full realization that his gun will kill anyone he shoots. The real shortcoming here is when he shoots someone who would never be executed for the alleged crime being committed. Example: A guy tries to run away from a DWI or counterfeiting charge and gets shot in the back. The other major crime here is the observing public. Out of a department of 1500 officers 2 will do something stupid and the other 1498 have to be punished. If that gets popular we will get to a point where only the stupid ones with psychotic issues will want to join the force. The final problem is the old boys club attitude. That is not confined to just the police department. I worked with a large group of guys in the telephone company and the city works dept. . Unless that other guy committed child abuse or murder you did not see anything. Being a whistle blower has often proved to be a loosing proposition for someone intending to stay working with the same crew of people on a permanent basis. With the right technology we can let the body cam do all the squeeling and finger pointing. 

Edited by - donc on 07/05/2020 20:26:58

Jul 6, 2020 - 2:52:27 PM

72417 posts since 5/9/2007

Cameras on all the time will make it tougher for the rich kids to get away with stuff.
Probably won't fly.

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