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Jun 3, 2020 - 6:35:04 AM
1617 posts since 4/22/2018

Is the same thing happening in your neck of the woods? As people are being able to travel more, yet with less places to visit (shopping malls/pubs/restaurants still closed), we are getting a huge influx people visiting beauty spots and then treating them with complete disdain. It’s absolutely heartbreaking to see, and I know it’s not limited to the area I live in. The sooner they open up some of their usual haunts, the better in my eyes - at the moment it seems as though this covid situation has brought out the very best in some people and the absolute worst in many others. I always thought I couldn’t understand the logic of your carried it in full so surely you can carry it out empty’ ...... until however, I was told by a friend yesterday that whilst helping clearing up a local beauty spot, he picked up a box of 24 beers, only two of them had been drunk and the yobs couldn’t even be bothered to carry away the remaining 22 full ones.




 

Jun 3, 2020 - 6:40:56 AM

1617 posts since 4/22/2018

Even helping themselves to fence rails for their fires.

Earlier this week, my rescue team was called out to retrieve a man who had injured himself whilst breaking in to a closed/locked nature trail.




Jun 3, 2020 - 6:55:53 AM
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slammer

USA

2881 posts since 12/30/2008

You know that wasn’t me Jonty !!!
#1. I would never leave a beer can laying in the woods , especially a full one.
#2. Who has the audacity to go out in the woods with only one case of beer???

Seriously, I never understood the whole littering thing and why people feel they are entitled to just leave $#i wherever they throw it or dump it, but does not surprise me either. Sometime people JUST SUCK !!!
Slammer!!!

Jun 3, 2020 - 7:02:11 AM
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Owen

Canada

5764 posts since 6/5/2011

...no point waiting for more posts before I start "drifting"..... I don't have a copy of Ten Lost Years [Barry Broadfoot's book about the effects of the depression on Canadians] on hand, but a couple of the submissions were about how people did some odd ball / out of character things:  I think  the quotes went something like: "People just went a little crazy." 

Jun 3, 2020 - 8:28:09 AM

Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

24478 posts since 8/3/2003

My son and daughter-in-law are living in an RV park while my son is working and say visitors are coming in almost every day now, especially over the weekends. So far, those in RVs and tents seem to be very clean and don't leave a mess for the RV park to pick up. People are even picking up after their pets which is really appreciated by those monthly RVers.

Jun 3, 2020 - 11:01:30 AM
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rinemb

USA

12322 posts since 5/24/2005

I was taught very early (in BS) to leave your campsite cleaner than how you found it. Its just good form. I used to honk every time I saw trash and butts fly out a car window. Not safe to do that anymore. Brad

Jun 3, 2020 - 12:28:59 PM
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bubbalouie

Canada

13907 posts since 9/27/2007

Some people brush it off as giving jobs to people. The same trash that leaves a big mess for people to clean up in restaurants. They have no respect for anything. I call these times The Me First Era.

Jun 3, 2020 - 3:29:48 PM
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figmo59

USA

31333 posts since 3/5/2008

Remember the Pigs..in the story..Animal Farm...?!

Jun 3, 2020 - 3:57:02 PM

1617 posts since 4/22/2018

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Originally posted by m06

I don't understand how folks can discard their litter and vandalise and not care about the effect that has. It shows a total disdain for place which probably mirrors a lack of respect for themselves and others.

I was talking to someone here this morning about how many folks manner seems to have got kinder, slowed and softened during lockdown. It's like the clock has turned back 40 years to a gentler age. But your photos show that's not a universal change.


Are you not getting any of this behaviour round your neck of the woods Mike?   I've loved the kindness I've experienced but the 'self entitlement' to the countryside, and the awful treatment of the countryside is both heartbreaking and infuriating.

Jun 3, 2020 - 4:30:50 PM

bubbalouie

Canada

13907 posts since 9/27/2007

When I was a kid (Groans.) littering was bad. Give a hoot Don't pollute! That commercial with the Indian guy crying.

They had Orbits on the Trans Canada highway. Garbage cans that looked like sputniks. You'd pull off the highway & Dad would take a picture of you putting some garbage in it with his Polaroid & we'd race off to the next Voyageur Station! 

Back then they had dumps or tips where you could get rid of stuff for free. They weren't well organized but if you had something to get rid of you threw it on the pile. We used to take the twenty two's & shoot bottles & a T.V. if we were lucky. They were taken care of by the municipality.

Now they charge 40 bucks for a box spring & mattress. 75 bucks for a small load of drywall.

On lots of dead end roads & logging roads you see old couches & renovation garbage around here.

Don't get me started on all the bags of dog crap left behind!

Jun 3, 2020 - 4:35:13 PM

1617 posts since 4/22/2018

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Originally posted by m06
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Originally posted by Wet Spaniel
quote:
Originally posted by m06

I don't understand how folks can discard their litter and vandalise and not care about the effect that has. It shows a total disdain for place which probably mirrors a lack of respect for themselves and others.

I was talking to someone here this morning about how many folks manner seems to have got kinder, slowed and softened during lockdown. It's like the clock has turned back 40 years to a gentler age. But your photos show that's not a universal change.


Are you not getting any of this behaviour round your neck of the woods Mike?   I've loved the kindness I've experienced but the 'self entitlement' to the countryside, and the awful treatment of the countryside is both heartbreaking and infuriating.

 


Not that I've seen or heard about round here so far. The North Somerset coast here tends to be off the beaten track and frequented by locals and local folks care for and respect their own space. And Mendip is walking country and not a big draw for picnickers and littering townies. But we've all seen the news reports of the disregard and contempt for landscape and locals shown by incontinent visitors to the Dorset coast recently. Some of the behaviour is nothing short of disgusting.


Lucky you, we are seeing it all over the Dales and the Lakes.  The other day I had a car parked over the end of my driveway , completely blocking it with 4 lads staring at us whilst my family were eating in the garden,  I'm down an unadopted unmade track and it was obviously blocking our drive. When I asked them to unblock the drive, all four jumped out and made a combination of threats, ridicule and abuse - anything to try and get a rise so they could jump over and start a fight - seems like whilst the pubs are shut intimidation is the new pastime 

Jun 4, 2020 - 2:21:10 AM

1617 posts since 4/22/2018

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Originally posted by m06
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Originally posted by Wet Spaniel
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Originally posted by m06
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Originally posted by Wet Spaniel
quote:
Originally posted by m06

I don't understand how folks can discard their litter and vandalise and not care about the effect that has. It shows a total disdain for place which probably mirrors a lack of respect for themselves and others.

I was talking to someone here this morning about how many folks manner seems to have got kinder, slowed and softened during lockdown. It's like the clock has turned back 40 years to a gentler age. But your photos show that's not a universal change.


Are you not getting any of this behaviour round your neck of the woods Mike?   I've loved the kindness I've experienced but the 'self entitlement' to the countryside, and the awful treatment of the countryside is both heartbreaking and infuriating.

 


Not that I've seen or heard about round here so far. The North Somerset coast here tends to be off the beaten track and frequented by locals and local folks care for and respect their own space. And Mendip is walking country and not a big draw for picnickers and littering townies. But we've all seen the news reports of the disregard and contempt for landscape and locals shown by incontinent visitors to the Dorset coast recently. Some of the behaviour is nothing short of disgusting.


Lucky you, we are seeing it all over the Dales and the Lakes.  The other day I had a car parked over the end of my driveway , completely blocking it with 4 lads staring at us whilst my family were eating in the garden,  I'm down an unadopted unmade track and it was obviously blocking our drive. When I asked them to unblock the drive, all four jumped out and made a combination of threats, ridicule and abuse - anything to try and get a rise so they could jump over and start a fight - seems like whilst the pubs are shut intimidation is the new pastime 


Jonty, that's awful, I'm shocked and very sorry to hear that you and your family were subject to intimidation. Behaviour like that and going out of their way for the sake of causing trouble seems very odd? Is it a by-product of the boredom of yobs confined by the lockdown? I wonder why they would leave the road and drive down an unmade track? Had they been drinking or do you think these lads had more calculated criminal intentions? Any clues where they had traveled from?

Stay safe.

 

 


Thanks Mike, they were just looking for a fight.  There were plenty of places to park that wouldn't cause an issue, they were definitely looking for trouble and picked an easy target in a quiet spot.

i live in the village where people traditionally start the Yorkshire Three Peaks from and we are used to lots (and I mean lots) of visitors, but at the moment with everything being closed down, we are experiencing a completely different type of person coming out into the sticks - the sooner they open Nando's and Wetherspoons, the better in my view.

Jun 4, 2020 - 6:20:54 AM

figmo59

USA

31333 posts since 3/5/2008

Jonty..
I am sorry you had to deal with that bad behaviour...

It dose iggzist...I know first hand..

There are a lot of folks that do not understand that..
N ..bless them all..
Becose that tells me..that they would never even concieve...
Of doing thos kinda things.. :0)


Those are the folks worth protecting..n..fight for.. :0/

Some of us have been in a hotter ..Crucible of life... :0/

Jun 4, 2020 - 6:21:45 AM
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Paul R

Canada

12871 posts since 1/28/2010

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Originally posted by bubbalouie

Don't get me started on all the bags of dog crap left behind!


Aliens thousands of years from now will wonder about the strange practice earthlings had, of bagging canine feces. Was it a social custom, a religious ritual, a rite of passage? (Well, it was a "rite of passage" for the dogs.)

Jun 4, 2020 - 6:24:04 AM
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figmo59

USA

31333 posts since 3/5/2008

That's funny Paul..! :0)

Jun 4, 2020 - 6:47:26 AM

bubbalouie

Canada

13907 posts since 9/27/2007

On a part of the trail there's a dead tree. Dog owners hang their crap bags on the branches!

I don't know what they're trying to say? 

Jun 4, 2020 - 7:02 AM
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figmo59

USA

31333 posts since 3/5/2008

quote:
Originally posted by bubbalouie

On a part of the trail there's a dead tree. Dog owners hang their crap bags on the branches!

I don't know what they're trying to say? 


Don't step here.... ;0)

Jun 4, 2020 - 7:03:49 AM
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54868 posts since 12/14/2005

First thing Mom made us do, when we got to a campsite, was clean it up.
LAST thing she made us do, when we were about to leave, was clean it up AGAIN!

She'd remind us of our unspoken cusswords directed at the people who had left THEIR crap for US to clean up, and ask us if we wanted those kinds of thoughts directed at US!!

Jun 4, 2020 - 8:19:16 AM

3144 posts since 7/28/2015

I feel like I've actually seen less evidence of dumping out in the desert lately. The biggest thing I see is shotgun shells. I don't really object to people target practicing out in the desert even though it makes me nervous (since I'm out there running and don't want to get shot accidentally) but wouldn't it be good form to pick up after yourselves?

Jun 4, 2020 - 8:33:31 AM

figmo59

USA

31333 posts since 3/5/2008

quote:
Originally posted by prooftheory

I feel like I've actually seen less evidence of dumping out in the desert lately. The biggest thing I see is shotgun shells. I don't really object to people target practicing out in the desert even though it makes me nervous (since I'm out there running and don't want to get shot accidentally) but wouldn't it be good form to pick up after yourselves?


Yeah...

I pick mine up..but I reload'em..

I do not like that stuff like old shot up cans n targets left nietha..

N..please do not shoot glass bottles as targets.. a sharp mess.. :0(

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