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Jun 1, 2020 - 2:48:30 PM
9 posts since 5/16/2020

As others before me may have observed, the Brad Leftwich tab for Baby-O can be equivocal.
Right off the bat, the 5th and 6th notes, two open notes on the E string, have me confused.
Is the first open E played as an ASPO with left hand followed by striking the second open E with right hand?
I can't help feeling that Brad was a little stingy with the symbols here, but then again Brad might suggest no amount of symbols could help me-lol.
Obviously, deciding how this first measure is played is critical.
Any insights will be appreciated. Thanks.

Edited by - Bill Rogers on 06/01/2020 18:50:47

Jun 1, 2020 - 6:13:37 PM
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dbrooks

USA

3821 posts since 3/11/2004

If you are referring to the tab for "Baby-O" in his "Round Peak Banjo" book and if you are then referring to the last measure of the first line of the tab, in my copy the tab indicates the right-hand licks. The 4-note phrase that ends that measure has a downstroke on the open 3rd string (i), an ASPO on the 1st string (p), and downstroke on the open 1st string (i) and the thumb on the 5th string (t). These represent the notes 4 through 7 in that measure.

The 1st measure of the tune does not have 5th and 6th notes on the open 1st string. (Note for others: the OP refers to the E string since the tuning is aEAC#E).

If I have misunderstood your question, please clarify and I (or someone else) will try again.


David

Jun 1, 2020 - 7:13:52 PM

9 posts since 5/16/2020

Hi David- thanks for the response.

I'm asking about the Very first few notes of the song - Baby-O - Brad Leftwich tab- banjo tuned to A.
Song starts with open second string, Then a 1-2 slide, then first string open - twice, Ending on open fifth string.
Are those two first string open notes played ASPO and a finger strike - or as two fast finger strikes?

Jun 1, 2020 - 10:35:13 PM
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janolov

Sweden

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It is two notes on the open first (E) string: first open string pull-off, then downstroke. It is nothing special with that. It occurs several times in Baby-O, and in many other tunes in the book.

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You should also study this video about ASPO by Tom Collins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q57nneE88Y

Jun 2, 2020 - 3:52:59 AM
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dbrooks

USA

3821 posts since 3/11/2004

I don't see an ASPO in that first measure.

  • The first beat is a downstroke (quarter note) on the 3rd string
  • The 2nd beat is made up of two eighth notes - a slide from 1st to 2nd fret with 5th string played simultaneously with the 2nd note of the slide.
  • The 3rd beat is a downstroke (quarter note) on the 1st string
  • The 4th beat is a bum ditty (two eighth notes) with downstroke on 1st string and thumb on 5th string

That's what I hear on the CD that accompanies  the book as well. The 3rd beat can be played as an ASPO but I don't think it needs to be.

David

Jun 2, 2020 - 5:39:18 AM
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janolov

Sweden

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Here are thr first four measures of Baby-O. I have indicated how each string is played. The ASPO is in the fourth measure, the rest is downstroke (?) or thumb or slide.


Jun 2, 2020 - 6:06:05 AM
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dbrooks

USA

3821 posts since 3/11/2004

Jan, you have explained much more clearly what I was trying to say in my messages. Thanks.

David

Edited by - dbrooks on 06/02/2020 06:06:36

Jun 2, 2020 - 8:10:21 AM

9 posts since 5/16/2020

Thank you, David and Jan, very much.
I'm (obviously) a brand new player who bought a Goodtime in mid March.
I received this Round Peak book a couple of days ago and look forward to learning these great tunes.
But...I didn't want to start off on the wrong foot so to speak.
I have viewed the fine videos by Tom Collins, therefore , I was aware of the ASPO, but was unclear when, exactly, it is used. In the book, Brad Leftwich, gives a few examples of the various moves but, again, was unsure of the pull off in an actual song-
Thank you for taking the time to resolve my confusion. ~ Jimmy.

Jun 3, 2020 - 3:24:58 AM

156 posts since 7/22/2016

Enjoy. This book is deceptive. By that, I mean a lot of tunes in the book appear simple but are tough.

Jun 4, 2020 - 8:10:41 AM

9 posts since 5/16/2020

Thanks, Brendan.
Baby-O proved a bit beyond my reach for the moment so I shifted my attention to the simpler, Cluck Old Hen.
I'm only able to stumble through it, one measure at a time, now, but can see that I will be able to play it at speed eventually.

Jun 16, 2020 - 7:36 AM

AndyW

UK

498 posts since 7/4/2017

Jimmy, (although a brilliant book, well worth the money), this is a very difficult book to begin with. Many of the tunes are very difficult to 'get' the melody as they are in a very rhythmic style. You also need to be able to play the tunes pretty fast before they sound correct.

My advice would be to get Clawhammer Banjo From Scratch by Dan Levenson, or the free RocketScienceBanjo pdf download from Tony Spadero, and get some basic grounding in Double Thumb, Drop Thumb, ingrain them and get your basic playing speed up a bit first. Preferably Dans book in my opinion, though he doesn't seem to use ASPO which would have to be learned after.

And though Tom Collins videos are great (in fact I've just joined his Patreon), I would again hazard that a lot of his stuff is too difficult for someone just started.

Edited by - AndyW on 06/16/2020 07:38:17

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