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May 31, 2020 - 4:49:16 PM
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Every good story sparks the imagination.

The Kingston Trio ( my childhood heroes) did a FINE job with the song "RED RIVER SHORE", by Jack Splittard and Randy Cierly.

But it had some details missing, from the adventure in MY head, so I added a couple verses.

Here's their original rendition:  https://youtu.be/iz71OswhdzM

And here's my expanded version, which explains WHY the girl's father was willing to KILL the young man.

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RED RIVER SHOREJack Splittard/Randy Cierley(Additional verses 2 & 3, and modifications to v 6&7 by Mike Gregory)1. [G] At the foot of yon mountain, where the[C] big river [G]flows, there's a fond [Em]creation and a[C]soft wind that [D]blows.There [G]lives a fair maiden, she's the[C]one I a-[G]dore. She's the one I will[C]marry on the [G]Red[D]River [G] shore.2. But her father had cattle, and plenty of land;And he'd give no cowboy his sweet daughter's hand.When he heard that I loved her,A blood oath he swore,For to bury my bones on that Red River shore.3. So I went to Montana to prospect for gold.Where the days were too long, and the nights were too cold.And I found not one ounce of that bright shiny ore,For to ransom my bride, from the Red River shore.4. She wrote me a letter. She wrote it so kind and in that letter these words you will find."Come back to me, darling, you're the one I adore. You're the one I will marry on the Red River shore.5. I jumped on my bronco and away I did ride to marry my true love on the Red River side.But her pa knew the secret and with twenty and four come to fight this young cowboy on the Red River shore.6. I grabbed my six shooter, spun 'round and 'round 'til six men were wounded and seven were down.I can't fight an army of twenty and four So I fled for my life from  the Red River shore.7. At the foot of yon mountain, where the big river flows, there's a fond creation and a soft wind that blows.There's the grave of  maiden, she's the one I adore, And she perished for love,  on the Red River shore
May 31, 2020 - 5:06:27 PM

chuckv97

Canada

52838 posts since 10/5/2013

Hmmm..I can’t access your added lyrics, Mike. I just get one line with the title and composers, that’s it.

May 31, 2020 - 5:13:26 PM
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Does TYHIS help??


RED RIVER SHORE
Jack Splittard/Randy Cierley
(Additional verses 2 & 3, and modifications to v 6&7 by Mike Gregory)



1. [G] At the foot of yon mountain, where the[C] big river [G]flows,


there's a fond [Em]creation and a[C]soft wind that [D]blows.


There [G]lives a fair maiden, she's the[C]one I a-[G]dore.


She's the one I will[C]marry on the [G]Red[D]River [G] shore.



2. But her father had cattle, and plenty of land;
And he'd give no cowboy his sweet daughter's hand.
When he heard that I loved her,
A blood oath he swore,
For to bury my bones on that Red River shore.

3. So I went to Montana to prospect for gold.
Where the days were too long, and the nights were too cold.
And I found not one ounce of that bright shiny ore,
For to ransom my bride, from the Red River shore.



4. She wrote me a letter. She wrote it so kind
and in that letter these words you will find.
"Come back to me, darling, you're the one I adore.
You're the one I will marry on the Red River shore.

5. I jumped on my bronco and away I did ride
to marry my true love on the Red River side.
But her pa knew the secret and with twenty and four
come to fight this young cowboy on the Red River shore.

6. I grabbed my six shooter, spun 'round and 'round
'til six men were wounded and seven were down.
I can't fight an army of twenty and four
So I fled for my life from the Red River shore.

7. At the foot of yon mountain, where the big river flows, there's a fond creation and a soft wind that blows.
There's the grave of maiden, she's the one I adore,
And she perished for love, on the Red River shore.
=================================================================

May 31, 2020 - 5:18:25 PM

chuckv97

Canada

52838 posts since 10/5/2013

Ok, yeah,, that’s a good story line.  That's one album by the KT that my older brother didn't have ...first time I've heard it. 

Edited by - chuckv97 on 05/31/2020 17:19:36

Jun 2, 2020 - 11:55:59 AM

1324 posts since 11/15/2010

Nice work, Mike.

By the way, do you know who Jack Splittard was? It was a group pseudonym the Trio occasionally used. It allowed the three of them to earn royalties and "split" the "jack." The Weavers started the group pseudonym business in the 1950s by using Paul Campbell as their group pseudonym. The other author, Randy Cierly (Sterling), was a guy who played back-up on some of the Trio's later albums. 

I'm not surprised you hadn't heard this one, Chuck. The Trio recorded it after they had switched labels from Capitol to Decca and their album sales really tanked. 

Edited by - Joe Connor on 06/02/2020 11:57:19

Jun 2, 2020 - 12:11:37 PM

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Truth be told, they were a quartet.
(According to the liner notes on "Going Places" 1961).



Their bass player, I think his name was David "BUCK" Wheat.
But, good idea to have a non-fight-over name for songs they worked together on.
No idea if Mr. Wheat worked on any of their originals.

A guy I met, fromMilwaukee, name of Ben Schubert, was a musician in their backp band for a while.
Ben could play many stringed instruments.
Did mandolin and/or fiddle for them in the 70's.

Jun 2, 2020 - 1:20:12 PM

1324 posts since 11/15/2010

Yeah, Mike, that was Buck Wheat. He played bass for the Trio and also some guitar on their albums. He was a jazz guy and a very good musician. That album cover is interesting.  It was the original Trio's last studio album, as Dave Guard was about to the leave the group. Dave planned to form a new group, the Whiskeyhill Singers, and was taking Wheat with him.  That album featured "It Was A Very Good Year," which Ervin Drake wrote for Bob Shane, but Capitol didn't see fit to release it as a single. 

Edited by - Joe Connor on 06/02/2020 13:20:50

Jun 3, 2020 - 5:49:27 PM

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I bought the Whiskey Hill's first album, because Dave Guard was 78% of the reason I wanted to BE a banjo player.
With respectful nods to Mr. Seeger &Mr. Scruggs, combined.
In my youthful opinion 1963-74, Seeger was more important to ME, because he told more STORIES, than Scruggs did, both IN and ABOUT his songs.

Jun 3, 2020 - 5:56:35 PM

chuckv97

Canada

52838 posts since 10/5/2013

Dave Guard’s banjo coming out of my brother’s stereo speakers caught my ear too when I was a mere whisp of a lad. He also bought the Whiskeyhill Singers album. Buck Wheat , here with the gang in some kind of trouble with the wrathful gal (Judy Henske) in the group.....

Edited by - chuckv97 on 06/03/2020 18:01:49

Jun 4, 2020 - 12:05:09 AM
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Judy was born not far from here:
Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin.
I still have one of her albums, HIGH FLYING BIRD.

Great voice!

Jun 4, 2020 - 1:43:24 PM

Helix

USA

12948 posts since 8/30/2006

I also have the Dave Guard and the Whiskeyhill singers album
I have the two Modern Folk Quartet albums, too
There was a time around ‘64 when concert folk singers in blazers just couldn’t cut it
Bob Dylan had gone electric and left the acoustic players behind
Kennedy was gone and the dreams got scattered

I have all of Ian and Sylvia, I still do many of their songs with Gordon Lightfoot and Steve Gillette, too

I heard Fennario on the radio in traffic the other day, here come the youths
Great thread

Jun 4, 2020 - 1:50:59 PM
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Helix

USA

12948 posts since 8/30/2006

Mike, I write new verses to older songs all the time, real fun to use on stage. I use the same verse in about 4 songs just to see if anybody is listening:

I got a mouse in my garden
I got a Chuckawalla , too
The mouse don’t cause no trouble
But the Chuckawalla do

Irene Goodnight

Jun 4, 2020 - 7:51:27 PM

chuckv97

Canada

52838 posts since 10/5/2013

When I run out of verses for Salty Dog Blues I sing (stole it from a Billy Strings video) , “A,B,C,D,E,F,G
H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P
Honey let me be your salty dog”

Jun 5, 2020 - 2:31:57 PM

1324 posts since 11/15/2010

The Whiskeyhill Singers recorded a second album, but Capitol never released it, probably because the band was in the process of breaking up. Unfortunately, no one knows where the masters are or even if they still exist. That would be an interesting album to hear.

Dave moved to Australia at the end of 1962, and from then until his death in 1991, we have very few examples of his banjo playing. 

Here's a link to a bootleg tape of a Whiskeyhill Singers concert. 

WHS Concert

Edited by - Joe Connor on 06/05/2020 14:34:31

Jun 5, 2020 - 7:35:13 PM

1324 posts since 11/15/2010

By the way, for those of you who liked Dave Guard, here's a fascinating article about him.

Mr. Guard and the Other Two

Jun 6, 2020 - 3:52:24 PM

4003 posts since 11/29/2005

quote:
Originally posted by Helix

Mike, I write new verses to older songs all the time, real fun to use on stage. I use the same verse in about 4 songs just to see if anybody is listening:

I got a mouse in my garden
I got a Chuckawalla , too
The mouse don’t cause no trouble
But the Chuckawalla do

Irene Goodnight


SO Stolen, Helix! Now I gotta come up with a verse with a Gila Monster.

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