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May 31, 2020 - 4:45:33 PM
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9939 posts since 2/22/2007

Yesterday Nashville had two hours of protest and five hours of rioting. Please do not confuse the two, as many newscaster insist on doing. It's really not difficult; the protesters gave speeches and led chants and waved signs. The rioters broke windows, threw firecrackers into the crowds, threw bottles of frozen water at bystanders heads, smeared excrement on cars and walls, sprayed obscenities on buildings, set fires, stole anything that they could, oh, and also took selfies, danced, sang, chugged drinks, and had a big old time. It was a party. No need for any confusion here. Most of the protesters were heading home when the rioters were just getting started. I saw both groups, and they were not the same people or the same purpose. And all races were in each group.
I support the protesters and the reasons that they protest. And now, I have seen the nature of my enemy, and I will not forget.

If anyone saw the news coverage of Nashville last night, then they saw my everyday world. The formerly nice park in front of the courthouse, which was set on fire, is where my wife and I stop for a rest as we take our walks most every day. The streets with broken windows are right outside my door, and I watched windows being smashed---with skateboards--from my balcony.
There was nothing spontaneous about last night's riot. The rioters came well prepared and knew exactly what they intended to do. They moved as a group and it was well coordinated. More coordinated than the police who were so very careful not to harm anyone that they allowed dozens of shops to be vandalized and untold thousands in vandalism to be ignored. As if appeasement of the violent ever did anything but encourage more of the same. So easy to act brave for the camera when it has been made clear that there will be no consequences. Lots of lessons learned last night, one eye opener is that skateboards can be a weapon---I'll never see them in the same light again----but top of the list is that the police will not or can not protect you during any sort of civil unrest. You should plan accordingly.

May 31, 2020 - 5:11:29 PM

RonR

USA

1645 posts since 11/29/2012

It was a similar situation here in Philadelphia. It was good to see average citizens come out today and sweep up the mess, even as the looting continues.

May 31, 2020 - 5:52:05 PM
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3000 posts since 9/12/2016

the right to assemble needs a good over haul. imo

May 31, 2020 - 6:13:06 PM
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donc

Canada

6330 posts since 2/9/2010

Interesting observation Bill. I watched it last night for awhile and the commentators were careful to emphasize that there were two distinct groups. The well known and long term human rights supporters were sickened by the looting and destruction. With the wearing of masks was there any indication that some of the vandals were from the opposing side of the protest ? That is something that would not be obvious on a TV screen.

May 31, 2020 - 6:21:42 PM
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nakigreengrass

New Zealand

5075 posts since 5/16/2012

I'm sorry for you Bill...and for people of America..stay safe.

May 31, 2020 - 7:04:53 PM
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slammer

USA

2881 posts since 12/30/2008

So sorry it’s right in your back yard Bill and that you had to see and witness with this first hand. I literally could puke right now over the events of this week!!! Everything I know about humanity or what I lead myself to believe really took a bunch of steps backwards this week.
Yesterday I just happened to be home and watched the Spacex launch. Shortly after take off a rush of emotions (good ones) came over me and I just lost it . It was like in this time of nothing but doom and gloom pandemic that effectively touched everything in a bad way, along with a political race that will have no great outcome, and then the action of a few bad cops that is turning this country upside down, this feat of sending 2 amazing U.S. astronauts successfully to the space station made me forget about all the bulls*** for a few moments.
In other words, I guess I was so happy to turn on the TV and see something positive and good for a change. I’ve really had enough of Covid, WHO, Fauci, Biden, Trump, Pelosi, bad Cop stories, killings, riots, protests, face masks, sitting at home, working in the hospital, not seeing my children and grandchildren , hand sanitizer, racism, ignorant people, stimulus checks, unemployment, social distancing and the list goes on and on!!! But for a few moments yesterday I forgot about all that.
I hope this ends soon and hope your neighborhood and many others can get back to normal!!!
Slammer!!!

May 31, 2020 - 7:05:15 PM
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9939 posts since 2/22/2007

No evidence of any "opposing side", just an early group of mostly mature, mostly black with a significant number of white supporters who were verbally expressing anger and frustration at systematic racism and a later group of mostly young, mostly white with a significant number of black comrades who were physically expressing the joy of destruction. At the end of the march down Broadway the protesters at the front of the crowd turned right and went back to their cars. But the last half of the crowd turned left and headed to the police precinct to smash cruisers. That was clearly planned. I saw no evidence, at all, of any "white supremacists" which certain reporters are so desperate to blame. There were certainly white vandals leading the destruction, but they were partying with their black friends, which I do not believe is common among the Klan types.

May 31, 2020 - 7:15:15 PM

chuckv97

Canada

50164 posts since 10/5/2013
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Geez Bill, you mentioned Broadway - I hope the Ryman and the Ernest Tubb Record Shop strip was being guarded and not vandalized. Sorry for the terrible goings on there,,,my heart aches for your country.

May 31, 2020 - 7:25:47 PM
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donc

Canada

6330 posts since 2/9/2010

I remember the looting scenes from the 1960's. Some of those guys they must have heard lots from their parents and grandparents who lived through it. I could vaguely understand looting and vandalizing if those businesses only represented the rich white oppressive institutions. In reality they were hitting local businesses owned by black and white working families in their own community. That part has me totally baffled.

May 31, 2020 - 7:39:05 PM
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QldPicker

Australia

39 posts since 4/17/2020

quote:
Originally posted by nakigreengrass

I'm sorry for you Bill...and for people of America..stay safe.


I could not agree more. Stay safe mentally and physically.

May 31, 2020 - 7:41:51 PM

3428 posts since 7/8/2010

Bill, sorry you had to see this happen before your eyes. I can't even imagine how you must feel. Tomorrow will be a better day.

May 31, 2020 - 8:36:56 PM

Tommy5

USA

3599 posts since 2/22/2009

Here in the Chicago suburbs, I haven’t seen such destruction since the Chicago Bulls won the championship. Looters with smart phones play cat and mouse with police , flash mobs appear when police aren’t around and break and take stuff. Remarkable that so much damage and few people killed , more will die from Cov- vid while protesting then protesting . Police are having a tough time with all of the verbal and physical abuse they are taking. The mall a few blocks from was closed down, lots of looting a few miles away , but I’m fine pickin the banjo on the porch. Some idiot stole a mattress and tied it to their car, another group stole a bunch of lottery tickets from a 7/11, stupid , the tickets are all numbered , hopefully they will busted when they cash them in.

May 31, 2020 - 9:09:52 PM
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Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

23614 posts since 6/25/2005

Another reason I’m glad I live in a small city that’s not part of an urban sprawl. My sympathies to all you who live in large metro areas. I’ve not seen anything this widespread since the 60s. I think the C-19 situation has left thousands with pent up anger and energy that has only exacerbated the rioting. I fear massive outbreaks of Covid-19 in 2-3 weeks. I guess the desire to demonstrate and/or loot and riot overcame any good judgment the folks in the streets might have exercised.

May 31, 2020 - 10:52:50 PM

9451 posts since 8/22/2006

I agree with you Bill about the pent up anger and I would also say the fear. There were those who said that the so called prevention could be worse than the virus.

Jun 1, 2020 - 12:39:28 AM
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2935 posts since 10/17/2009

Many folks predicted possibility of this, and possibly more this summer (esp if heat wave comes).

Shelter in place, high-unemployment, boredom, uncertain future, insecurity, folks uneasy, on edge... on top of backdrop of issues of injustice or suppression that have been simmering before COVID-19. Tinder waiting for a spark. If it wasn't George Floyd, something else would have came up in many communities.

These events are seen as cathartic, venting, release of pent up anger or frustration of helplessness; as well as temporary sense of empowerment. A  bit of  "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore" Network moment; and need to yell and break something. And some folks can get caught up in the moment. (they would not normally do these things, like throw things at cops) - Not defending nor excusing the rioters actions; and it makes no good rationale to destroy your community, stores that serve your community; including those that serve for your protection. (certainly some there are always those who just opportunist, take advantage of things like looting when law and civil order breaks down).

I wouldn't be surprised if we see more  this summer. The National Guard, Military can only suppress the current event, but won't address or make the issues, frustrations, or need to vent go away.

FWIW, some claim sports and events, - even as spectator... might play a role with catharsis channeling, outlet... lack of might play a role -  interesting thought.

Edited by - banjoak on 06/01/2020 00:46:01

Jun 1, 2020 - 4:06:21 AM
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figmo59

USA

31333 posts since 3/5/2008

The true Citizens..n Patriots...
We're the folks that came out n.. cleaned up the mess..for thier niebours..
The mess was..
Made n caused by..Aholes..


That is Unitity...in love .n. Respect...when folk volunteer to do good..

N... Good News..

Jun 1, 2020 - 4:48:35 AM

Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

24478 posts since 8/3/2003

Our city had a completely different thing happen. Citizens gathered on main street to protest.... not to riot..... and the protests were peaceful, if somewhat loud. No one cursed (at least not that was publicized), no one broke windows, looted stores or set anything on fire.

One of the organizers of the protest told people who came in from out of town that if they wanted to riot, they were not welcome and to leave and the police backed them up. Surprisingly, they left and the protest continued peacefully until dark. After dark everyone went home. No rioting, no looting, no problem. Just people of all races getting together to protest and PRAY for justice to be done.

Our sister city also had a protest and it ended up with the police in riot gear, ready to use tear gas and rubber bullets if the alleged protesters didn't cease and desist. They left, if not quietly, then at least without causing any damage to property or harm to life.

I hope and pray for a peaceful end to this rioting. It doesn't prove anything except we have people who love to cause problems.

Jun 1, 2020 - 5:10:34 AM
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DC5

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quote:
Originally posted by Tractor1

the right to assemble needs a good over haul. imo


Wrong answer.  Rioting is not assembling.  Do not give up rights because there are A-holes and criminals.  It helps them and harms you. 

Jun 1, 2020 - 5:22:59 AM

3000 posts since 9/12/2016

The last ibma I went to in Nashville.I came from the store with the streets lit good. I neglected to turn my lights on ,while going to my hotel, on the same block.The law was working a wreck at the intersection. I was straight as the day I was born. They tested and tested. Wanted to know if I was on medication ,luckily I could answer no. One young athletic type was giving me moves to copy that his --being about 60 pounds less than me --made it a joke as a sobriety test. The were asses among them that should have been fixed.
You get on a TV cop show with the officers running their mouth telling the ones they are arresting how they are not living correctly, .It is there job to arrest suspects ,not put forth the verdict or the law.
That being said I thank the ones that act like they should. It would be a terrible job to have ,damn ed if you do damned if you don't.

They need to turpentine the looters  destroying the properties of other  innocent victims ,no matter the color of the property owner

Edited by - Tractor1 on 06/01/2020 05:26:26

Jun 1, 2020 - 5:29:57 AM

3000 posts since 9/12/2016

dc i did not say give up right to assemble ,wrong accusation. Could not elaborate and stay non -political.

Edited by - Tractor1 on 06/01/2020 05:39:44

Jun 1, 2020 - 5:44:26 AM
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wizofos

USA

5535 posts since 8/19/2012

In 1972 we lived in Chicago, family and friends around us. We looked around and decided that it was not a place to raise a family. Both of us were raised in the city and area but I pointed out that as a husband and new father it was my responsibility to care for and protect my family which I could not do in the city.
We moved to a small town in Wisconsin and when the company folded, moved again but stayed in small towns. I am sure that it affected my career potential but I felt that my family was safe and that is my first responsibility.
We decided to retire to a small town, 2500 in our township scattered across 36sq miles. I was lucky and able to work from home the last 12 years before retiring.
Like Bill said the police will not be able to protect you so it is your responsibility to protect yourself and family.

Jun 1, 2020 - 5:52:53 AM
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wizofos

USA

5535 posts since 8/19/2012

One thought I had about burned stores. I know that insurance will not protect an business owner from bankruptcy due to lock down, but I suspect that most insurance policies have civil unrest clauses. So the guy in Minneapolis who told the rioters that they were welcome to burn his store was just using as an excuse to shut down a failing business and profit from it.

Jun 1, 2020 - 5:53:40 AM

2935 posts since 10/17/2009

quote:
Originally posted by Tractor1


They need to turpentine the looters  destroying the properties of other  innocent victims ,no matter the color of the property owner


Rhetoric is perhaps part of the problem, as just escalates.

I would suggest arresting accused looters... let them have legal representation and their day in court... and reasonable punishment if guilty; -  you know "rights" .

Jun 1, 2020 - 6:00:42 AM

banjoy

USA

8905 posts since 7/1/2006

I think even the main stream media has picked up on the fact that there are outside agitators at work. All of the reporting I have seen points this out. There is a huge difference between demonstrations and civil disobedience (like ignoring a curfew) and rioting.

It seems apparent to me that all the agitation is made for television, because it's only happening in the largest cities. I suspect there's a lot of dark money flying around here. Small cities like mine are having small peaceful demonstrations and that's it. No one cares about small places so no one is stirring up crap in smaller places.

And Bill -- you seem to have had a front row seat to the recent tornadoes that bashed Nashville, and now this. What's next? A front row seat to the meteor that wipes us all out? You first ... since you got a front row seat :) while I hunker down for the waves to hit...

Maybe it's time you consider moving. You're surrounded by beautiful rural areas where rioters, looters and riffraff can't get as much media attention.

Edited by - banjoy on 06/01/2020 06:02:24

Jun 1, 2020 - 6:16:41 AM

3000 posts since 9/12/2016

quote:
Originally posted by banjoak
quote:
Originally posted by Tractor1


They need to turpentine the looters  destroying the properties of other  innocent victims ,no matter the color of the property owner


Rhetoric is perhaps part of the problem, as just escalates.

I would suggest arresting accused looters... let them have legal representation and their day in court... and reasonable punishment if guilty; -  you know "rights" .


I don't get the ''you know rights'' nor the rhetoric  statement nor the just escalates phrase  with out a subject.

I have nothing against arrest being made and  justice being dealt out .   I am for justice and respect for all.

 

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Edited by - Tractor1 on 06/01/2020 06:23:45

Jun 1, 2020 - 6:28:26 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by banjoy

I think even the main stream media has picked up on the fact that there are outside agitators at work. All of the reporting I have seen points this out. There is a huge difference between demonstrations and civil disobedience (like ignoring a curfew) and rioting.

It seems apparent to me that all the agitation is made for television, because it's only happening in the largest cities. I suspect there's a lot of dark money flying around here. Small cities like mine are having small peaceful demonstrations and that's it. No one cares about small places so no one is stirring up crap in smaller places.

And Bill -- you seem to have had a front row seat to the recent tornadoes that bashed Nashville, and now this. What's next? A front row seat to the meteor that wipes us all out? You first ... since you got a front row seat :) while I hunker down for the waves to hit...

Maybe it's time you consider moving. You're surrounded by beautiful rural areas where rioters, looters and riffraff can't get as much media attention.


Frank, you are right.  My wife, daughter, and I drove through downtown Greenville yesterday not even thinking about the possibility of running into protesters and a very large crown was disassembling and moving away from the Peace Center where I assume the gathering was.  It was very peaceful and folks of all colors were walking up the sidewalks with their signs.  There were police around, but none in any kind of riot gear.  I was really proud of our citizens and the police department.

For most here that do not know, Greenville (my hometown) and Spartanburg (Franks's hometown) are 30 miles apart and one seems to start as the other ends.  We have a metropolitan population of around 500,000 so we are relatively large.  Certainly not like Charlotte or Atlanta, but pretty large.  Hopefully we are doing things right here, but like a communities we still need to keep working.

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