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What happened to all of Mooooo's Tabs?

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May 31, 2020 - 7:16:18 AM
2 posts since 6/8/2019

They were some of the best tabs, I really should I have saved them.. or are they located somewhere else?

Edited by - fatty on 05/31/2020 07:16:40

May 31, 2020 - 7:32:33 AM

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How and why did they disappear??

May 31, 2020 - 7:57:46 AM
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6634 posts since 8/30/2004

Ken,
Since very few people can make a living teaching anymore and many people won't even give Zoom a try because they don't want to put in the effort. People only come to BHO for tabs and that gets very old after almost 20 years. it is possible that he has lost interest. I know I have.

The questions being asked on BHO are the same thing over and over and are becoming very boring...Just a guess...Jack   p.s. also, so many newcomers are asking for tabs for songs that have nothing or very little to do with banjo...

Edited by - Jack Baker on 05/31/2020 08:01:09

May 31, 2020 - 8:17:11 AM

chuckv97

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It’s unfortunate. Mooooo (Mike) got ticked off about a situation with a thread and hasn’t been back since. I see he left “Hide Head Blues”.

(come on back, Mike.  Your work is important here)

Edited by - chuckv97 on 05/31/2020 08:23:40

May 31, 2020 - 8:18:48 AM

3367 posts since 7/12/2006

I always get a chuckle when someone says they are new to banjo but are asking for tab to some complicated non bluegrass tune.  And yes Mooooo come back! 

Edited by - stanleytone on 05/31/2020 08:20:20

May 31, 2020 - 9:40:05 AM

2 posts since 6/8/2019

Im not asking for any new tabs, just enjoyed playing his tabs a lot (super fun reno songs), and only saved about half. Thanks for the help all

May 31, 2020 - 10:11:50 AM

6634 posts since 8/30/2004

What happened with Hide Head Blues?....I don't keep up with most posts anymore. Mike (moooo) did some excellent tabs.  I'm kinda bored with the same lame questions over "5 thousand times" and most of those questions are about nothing to do with folk or bluegrass or old time banjo; other than the sound of the banjo itself-- just tab grabbing. The  direction of banjo and its culture seems to have gotten lost. I know that this is the direction of banjo but sure doesn't inspire me at all. Doesn't inspire the creative spirit for some....Jack

Originally posted by chuckv97

It’s unfortunate. Mooooo (Mike) got ticked off about a situation with a thread and hasn’t been back since. I see he left “Hide Head Blues”.

(come on back, Mike.  Your work is important here)


Edited by - Jack Baker on 05/31/2020 10:21:40

May 31, 2020 - 12:57:39 PM

2625 posts since 4/19/2008

Do a search for:

mooooo here you go

Jun 2, 2020 - 10:28:56 PM
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Bart Veerman

Canada

4649 posts since 1/5/2005

I've had some emails back and forth with Mooo not too long ago. The simple answer to making tabs disappear is: APATHY and entitlement.

As a tabber, a decent tab takes anywhere from at least 1 hour to several hours to produce.

When you post one, you get questions/comments like: "how come you don't post it in XXX format." "It's not in the key that so-and-so played it" etc. 

I used to post all kinds of tabs, ranging from bluegrass to Rolling Stones with multiple lead and backup arrangements. Not too long ago I posted a tab for Walk Don't Run by the Ventures: over 200 downloads, only ONE "like," only ONE comment so I deleted the tab.

Over the years, many of my tabs have been reposted on other websites with my name edited out and deleted. Several were even offered for sale by some folks who were trying to make money from my efforts.

There simply is no incentive whatsoever to post tabs. I still have a bunch of tabs posted here, 3-finger and also clawhammer stuff, since long before the Banjo Hangout even existed:

https://haruteq.com - the last time I got any kind of feedback was about 4 years ago.

Check out the huge number of tabs in the Hangout's archive: hardly any of them have any comments or thank-yous. Why should Mooo, or anyone else, even bother to post tabs anymore???

When you come across a really cool tab, how about wasting 30 seconds of your precious time to email the tabber  an "atta boy," a "thank you," or a nice comment in the comment box on the Hangout's tab archive..."

[/rant off]

Edited by - Bart Veerman on 06/02/2020 22:36:15

Jun 3, 2020 - 5:52:10 AM

6634 posts since 8/30/2004

Bart,
I know the feeling. People have been ripping off my tabs and re naming them for years and those same people are still here on BHO. BHO will not exist if this continues. It has become "grab a tab" site only...Jack   p.s. I wasn't aware that Mooo had left.

Edited by - Jack Baker on 06/03/2020 06:01:25

Jun 3, 2020 - 9:35:56 AM
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janolov

Sweden

40512 posts since 3/7/2006

quote:
Originally posted by Bart Veerman

I've had some emails back and forth with Mooo not too long ago. The simple answer to making tabs disappear is: APATHY and entitlement.

As a tabber, a decent tab takes anywhere from at least 1 hour to several hours to produce.

When you post one, you get questions/comments like: "how come you don't post it in XXX format." "It's not in the key that so-and-so played it" etc. 

I used to post all kinds of tabs, ranging from bluegrass to Rolling Stones with multiple lead and backup arrangements. Not too long ago I posted a tab for Walk Don't Run by the Ventures: over 200 downloads, only ONE "like," only ONE comment so I deleted the tab.

Over the years, many of my tabs have been reposted on other websites with my name edited out and deleted. Several were even offered for sale by some folks who were trying to make money from my efforts.

There simply is no incentive whatsoever to post tabs. I still have a bunch of tabs posted here, 3-finger and also clawhammer stuff, since long before the Banjo Hangout even existed:

https://haruteq.com - the last time I got any kind of feedback was about 4 years ago.

Check out the huge number of tabs in the Hangout's archive: hardly any of them have any comments or thank-yous. Why should Mooo, or anyone else, even bother to post tabs anymore???

When you come across a really cool tab, how about wasting 30 seconds of your precious time to email the tabber  an "atta boy," a "thank you," or a nice comment in the comment box on the Hangout's tab archive..."

[/rant off]


Bart, two  or three things:

  1.  If you post a tab of an old pop tune from 1960, you cannot expect that a lot of younger banjo players shall notice it. I liked the Ventures back in the 1960's and I was even a member of the Ventures Scandinavian fan club for a year or two. I downloaded and studied your Walk Don't Run tab. I had already earlier worked out my own arrangement  of Walk Don't Run (which I never have published), and I liked my arrangement more than yours  smiley (even if it only was small differences) so I didn't bother about any comments. But I agree that your tab was worth more than one comment. By the way, nowadays I think that Chet Atkins "jazzy" recording from1957 is more exciting than the Ventures'  "poppy" version.
  2. I used to visit your site a lot 10 - 15 years ago when I relearned the banjo playing, and some of the tabs were very exciting, but nowadays I find your site very od-fashioned and not up to date. The tab are high quality, without doubt, but the site could be more up to date. I still use it when I need, and I think I have mentioned it in some tab requests. But I can understand if younger people don't visit it. I usually prefer to make my own interpretations of tunes, rather than taking other's arrangement. I can listen to music or study tabs to get new ideas, but I very seldom just take a tab and play it.
  3. I admit that most BHO members sometimes are unthankful. They seem to think that those who can  shall write the tab and  publish them free immediately. However, I have published a lot of tabs here in the Tab archive, and sometimes I have got positive comments (also from jack Baker who are one of the greatest tab writers here).
Jun 3, 2020 - 1:53:30 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97

It’s unfortunate. Mooooo (Mike) got ticked off about a situation with a thread and hasn’t been back since. I see he left “Hide Head Blues”.

(come on back, Mike.  Your work is important here)


And Chuck, to add to what you said. Moo was a good guy. He loves banjo and is knowledgeable and experienced and whether he leaves tabs or not, it is good just to hear from him. AND he is a friend that gives: he did a heck of a lot to help Warp, when Warp was having a tough time.

ken

Jun 3, 2020 - 3:12:28 PM

chuckv97

Canada

50168 posts since 10/5/2013
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I’ve done a few tabs and put them in the tab archives. I really don’t expect anyone to thank me if they use them. I just do’em cuz I enjoy the process. Not to criticize anyone else doing tabs, however. (and if I sound a bit self-righteous, I might be guilty ;-)

btw, it wasn't about tabs that ticked off Mooooo.  Read his last couple of posts on his activity list.  And true to form he went out with a bit of wry humor - he changed his avatar from a live cow to a skeleton of a dead cow ...!  lol

Edited by - chuckv97 on 06/03/2020 15:16:10

Jun 3, 2020 - 3:34:19 PM
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Chuck,
While I certainly enjoyed what Mike did but never kept up with his postings or anyone's actually. Too busy most of the time. Where would his last post be?...J    Oh, ok just found the post and what led to Mike's exit. I'm not going near this one. I've been through it all...Ha

Edited by - Jack Baker on 06/03/2020 15:45:16

Jun 3, 2020 - 5:06:37 PM
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chuckv97

Canada

50168 posts since 10/5/2013
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At one time I offered to pay Mike to tab out Gina Clowes (Furtado)’s “Phoebe’s Lullaby”. He absolutely declined to take any $$ and had it tabbed out a few days later.

Jun 11, 2020 - 7:27:56 AM

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An instructor I once had raised Beagles. Another student asked if he ever gave away puppies. His reply was "Never. People have no appreciation for things they haven't paid for or had to work for". Generally speaking, that is the way lots of humans are constructed.
This idea is probably cultural. The American Indians had a different philosophy on property ownership.

Jun 11, 2020 - 8:35:04 AM

Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

24478 posts since 8/3/2003

I think a lot of people hunting for tabs are "newbies" and many don't realize how much time, effort and just plain hard work there is to making a good tab. Most seem to think you can just tab something out in a few minutes, not realizing that you have to make sure the melody is where it belongs, that the correct chords are used, that each bar contains the correct number of beats, etc.

Let them have to tab out a few themselves and their thoughts would change quickly.

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