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May 30, 2020 - 4:47:30 PM
144 posts since 4/14/2020

Can anyone explain to me how this tailpiece works exactly? I'm going to tear this thing down tomorrow and just want to make sure I understand how to make any necessary adjustments as it goes back together. Not sure I understand the function of the small screws or why they're all pretty much aligned except the 1st string.


 

Edited by - deadwud on 05/30/2020 16:49:53

May 30, 2020 - 6:03:58 PM
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Chris Meakin

Australia

2940 posts since 5/15/2011

Edited by - Chris Meakin on 05/30/2020 18:04:42

May 30, 2020 - 9:12 PM
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Alex Z

USA

3850 posts since 12/7/2006

The 1st and 5th string little screws fit into dimples in the tension hoop.  The tension of the strings holds the tailpiece against the tension hoop and the dimples prevent the tension hoop from being pulled off.  Stelling has the same design.

Thus, the 1st and 5th string little screws can adjust the tailpiece from side to side.

The middle three little screws serve only to hand the string loops on.

When you put it back together, string up the 3rd string first, and put just a little tension on it.  This will hold the tailpiece so you can move the tailpiece to get the little screws back into the dimples.  Snug up the string a bit more, and all will be stable to put on the other 4 strings.

Hope this helps.

May 30, 2020 - 10:01:57 PM
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deadwud

USA

144 posts since 4/14/2020

quote:
Originally posted by Alex Z

The 1st and 5th string little screws fit into dimples in the tension hoop.  The tension of the strings holds the tailpiece against the tension hoop and the dimples prevent the tension hoop from being pulled off.  Stelling has the same design.

Thus, the 1st and 5th string little screws can adjust the tailpiece from side to side.

The middle three little screws serve only to hand the string loops on.

When you put it back together, string up the 3rd string first, and put just a little tension on it.  This will hold the tailpiece so you can move the tailpiece to get the little screws back into the dimples.  Snug up the string a bit more, and all will be stable to put on the other 4 strings.

Hope this helps.


Very helpful. Thanks! In what situation would you want to tilt to one side or the other? I'm curious why he had it angled toward the 1st...not sure if that was intentional.

Edited by - deadwud on 05/30/2020 22:04:48

May 31, 2020 - 8:14:42 AM
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3119 posts since 5/29/2011

If the neck is slightly out of line with the pot then having the tailpiece angled would compensate for that. If the neck is in line then the angle of the tailpiece is probably just accidental.

May 31, 2020 - 9:27:33 AM
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Can’t wait to see more photos of this banjo once you have cleaned it up. You originally stated his asking price was $1,600 but it was probably in error. What was the seller’s corrected asking price (not asking what you actually paid).

May 31, 2020 - 12:27:30 PM
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deadwud

USA

144 posts since 4/14/2020

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Originally posted by Fire-n-Rain

Can’t wait to see more photos of this banjo once you have cleaned it up. You originally stated his asking price was $1,600 but it was probably in error. What was the seller’s corrected asking price (not asking what you actually paid).


Appreciate your interest! He was asking $1800, but met me south of there. I'm pretty pleased with how it cleaned up and the sound with a fresh head and strings. I'll put some pics up in the other thread. 

May 31, 2020 - 2:13:38 PM

13006 posts since 6/29/2005

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Meakin

The first web page link suggests the five little screws are for sideways adjustment; and the harp shape is designed to provide more pressure on the higher pitched strings.

It's a neat looking tailpiece.

https://www.omebanjos.com/details/hardware/

Some more info here: https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=TALTXp-WIpGH4-EP7fuQ0A0&q=site%3Abanjohangout.org+%22Ome+harp+tailpiece%22&oq=site%3Abanjohangout.org+%22Ome+harp+tailpiece%22&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoFCAAQgwE6AggAOgQIABAKUM8PWJaTAWCNnwFoAHAAeACAAdwBiAHbMpIBBjAuNDAuNJgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXo&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwif7NLu89zpAhWRwzgGHe09BNoQ4dUDCAk&uact=5


I think that the idea that the high strings need different down pressure than the low ones and this design solves that is really marketing copy BS and a real stretch.  It's nice looking, though— just say it looks great and does the job.

May 31, 2020 - 3:50:37 PM
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Chris Meakin

Australia

2940 posts since 5/15/2011

quote:
Originally posted by Ken LeVan
quote:
Originally posted by Chris Meakin

The first web page link suggests the five little screws are for sideways adjustment; and the harp shape is designed to provide more pressure on the higher pitched strings.

It's a neat looking tailpiece.

https://www.omebanjos.com/details/hardware/

Some more info here: https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=TALTXp-WIpGH4-EP7fuQ0A0&q=site%3Abanjohangout.org+%22Ome+harp+tailpiece%22&oq=site%3Abanjohangout.org+%22Ome+harp+tailpiece%22&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoFCAAQgwE6AggAOgQIABAKUM8PWJaTAWCNnwFoAHAAeACAAdwBiAHbMpIBBjAuNDAuNJgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXo&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwif7NLu89zpAhWRwzgGHe09BNoQ4dUDCAk&uact=5


I think that the idea that the high strings need different down pressure than the low ones and this design solves that is really marketing copy BS and a real stretch.  It's nice looking, though— just say it looks great and does the job.


I was just paraphrasing the Ome website Ken. Nothing more nor less. 

May 31, 2020 - 7:07:21 PM

Alex Z

USA

3850 posts since 12/7/2006

Since the down pressure of the tailpiece affects the tone of plucked strings, and that tone is very sensitive to the down pressure, why would we assume that the optimal down pressure (optimal to the picker's ear) is exactly the same for each string, strings tuned to a different pitch?  smiley

Jun 1, 2020 - 4:58:23 AM

13006 posts since 6/29/2005

quote:
Originally posted by Alex Z

Since the down pressure of the tailpiece affects the tone of plucked strings, and that tone is very sensitive to the down pressure, why would we assume that the optimal down pressure (optimal to the picker's ear) is exactly the same for each string, strings tuned to a different pitch?  smiley


It wouldn't be, but assuming that some particular harp shape is going to (paraphrasing you) "assure that the optimal down pressure (optimal to the picker's ear) is exactly what the difference they want" is, as I said, a stretch.

Some of the more elaborate tailpeces like the Oettinger are individually adjustable.

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