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May 28, 2020 - 1:18:49 PM
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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

I still find this interesting, although I have posted it before.  It still shows that 34 states are below the expected average death totals compared to the previous three (I think I am right) years.  I wonder if the less that 100% for those states in because of less automobile fatalities and murders, etc.  Obviously for states like New York who are at about 230% of normal is due to Covid 19.  One state, Connecticut is at 50% of "expected deaths".  You also wonder if that percentage will spike in states because of people in need of healthcare who did not visit their doctors during the shutdown.

May 28, 2020 - 5:35:38 PM
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Bill Rogers (Moderator)

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Maybe we should start rating topics by morbidity quotient. I think this one is about a 7 out of 10.surprise

May 28, 2020 - 5:41:01 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Bill Rogers

Maybe we should start rating topics by morbidity quotient. I think this one is about a 7 out of 10.surprise


Probably right, but I thought it is interesting to know how many people normally die in a week, month, or year during a normal year and how the impact of Covid 19 affects it

May 28, 2020 - 5:58:11 PM
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Lynne (Moderator)

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5047 posts since 3/3/2003

Statistics from the CDC

Pneumonia deaths from Feb-May in Florida

2015     919

2016    958

2017   944

2018   935

2020   4259

Pneumonia deaths from Feb-May in Texas

2015   1067

2016   1027

2017   903

2018   973

2020   4217

Pneumonia deaths from Feb-May in Georgia

2015   504

2016   499

2017   487

2018   474

2020   1368

Probably just a coincidence 

Makes me wonder what the REAL death count is and how many COVIDs are being called pneumonia

Edited by - Lynne on 05/28/2020 17:59:56

May 28, 2020 - 8:59:38 PM

10188 posts since 1/15/2005

Lynne .... what was interesting to me was the fact that 34 states are under the percentage of normal deaths. I saw some statistics somewhere that answered the question you asked about the number of those who died from pneumonia that had Covid.

May 28, 2020 - 11:18:27 PM
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Bill Rogers (Moderator)

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It seems to me that one of the debates we’re seeing is whether a death from C-19-caused pneumonia is a C-19 death or a pneumonia death. That’s just one example. Unless there’s an agreed-on standard for attributing deaths, we’ll never have accurate stats on the pandemic.

May 29, 2020 - 5:52:14 AM
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quote ....... "not to determine cause of death as corona virus? not to determine cause of death as corona virus?"

......or vice versa!

May 29, 2020 - 5:52:19 AM
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Lynne (Moderator)

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quote:
Originally posted by m06
quote:
Originally posted by Lynne

 

Probably just a coincidence 

Makes me wonder what the REAL death count is and how many COVIDs are being called pneumonia

 


That's some heck of a 'coincidence' in the current context.

Makes me wonder if there is some other factor at work here causing medical practitioners not to determine cause of death as corona virus?


I believe there is, however we cannot discuss politics on the BHO

May 29, 2020 - 6:19:25 AM

figmo59

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quote:
Originally posted by Bill Rogers

Maybe we should start rating topics by morbidity quotient. I think this one is about a 7 out of 10.surprise


Real life can be ah little morbid..

Might as well look at real things...

Some folks just ...can not dewit....

 

So.. a rating systum... May be a good idea...fer folks that dislike looking at facts.

 

I beleave that facts..n info..Will come out on both sides of the fence..

In the end...folks beleave...what they want to...... :0/

Edited by - figmo59 on 05/29/2020 06:21:33

May 29, 2020 - 7:10:27 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by BanjoLink

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

I still find this interesting, although I have posted it before.  It still shows that 34 states are below the expected average death totals compared to the previous three (I think I am right) years.  I wonder if the less that 100% for those states in because of less automobile fatalities and murders, etc.  Obviously for states like New York who are at about 230% of normal is due to Covid 19.  One state, Connecticut is at 50% of "expected deaths".  You also wonder if that percentage will spike in states because of people in need of healthcare who did not visit their doctors during the shutdown.


Conneticut may be explained by this:

"recent increases may be missed in jurisdictions with historically low levels of completeness (e.g., Connecticut, North Carolina)"

from this page:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

May 29, 2020 - 7:25:55 AM
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Lack of testing equals lack of accurate information.

May 29, 2020 - 7:52:08 AM
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figmo59

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quote:
Originally posted by steve davis

Lack of testing equals lack of accurate information.


Lack of..good..testing..equals. lack of accurate information... ;0)

May 29, 2020 - 10:25:54 AM

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It appears that some early deaths from the virus were attributed to other causes. I think figures related to the virus won't be that accurate. They will be understated or possible, as the situation continues, overstated,

Went grocery shopping this morning. Less than 20% of the customers were wearing masks.
I don't think some people realize the masks protect nearby individuals. If people don't start wearing the masks, the predictions about the upsurge will probably happen.

Edited by - Richard Hauser on 05/29/2020 10:36:08

May 29, 2020 - 10:56:26 AM

10188 posts since 1/15/2005

quote:
Originally posted by GrahamHawker
quote:
Originally posted by BanjoLink

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

I still find this interesting, although I have posted it before.  It still shows that 34 states are below the expected average death totals compared to the previous three (I think I am right) years.  I wonder if the less that 100% for those states in because of less automobile fatalities and murders, etc.  Obviously for states like New York who are at about 230% of normal is due to Covid 19.  One state, Connecticut is at 50% of "expected deaths".  You also wonder if that percentage will spike in states because of people in need of healthcare who did not visit their doctors during the shutdown.


Conneticut may be explained by this:

"recent increases may be missed in jurisdictions with historically low levels of completeness (e.g., Connecticut, North Carolina)"

from this page:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm


Thanks ..... makes more sense now!

May 29, 2020 - 12:08:42 PM

71955 posts since 5/9/2007

Adequate suppression keeps facts at bay.

May 29, 2020 - 1:01:28 PM

2933 posts since 10/17/2009

quote:
Originally posted by BanjoLink

Lynne .... what was interesting to me was the fact that 34 states are under the percentage of normal deaths.


Keep in mind the statistics reflect not only COVID, but the global effects of actions, altered behavior from normal;  sheltering, distancing, wearing masks, hand washing, sanitizing. Closing schools, large gatherings, and esp nursing home visits.

These actions affect spread of all infectious disease.

As well, can indirectly affect other causes of death.

Edited by - banjoak on 05/29/2020 13:13:56

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