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May 25, 2020 - 9:18:27 AM
4 posts since 4/13/2018

Hi all, this is my first post !
I have just purchased this item in its original ( tatty) case but would be interested if anyone can indicate make, age , value .
It has the original grover bridge and described as “Abbot like!
Regards
Phil


 

May 25, 2020 - 9:25:41 AM
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inside, where neck meets body.

Front and back of peghead

Full front view

May 25, 2020 - 9:28:12 AM
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May 25, 2020 - 9:28:54 AM

97 posts since 5/25/2015

Hi Phil. Hope you get some good feedback on your first post. I started posting last year and it's always interesting. To get more info on the banjo ideally you should post more pictures showing all the different parts and any stamps or markings (they might be hidden away inside). Based on your photo it reminds me of a John Grey model a friend plays, but also Dallas made some where the tailpiece is screwed to the tension hoop like that. More pics will help!

May 25, 2020 - 9:36:34 AM
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OH!
Just found 2 more pics on your home page.
It is a thing of beauty, but I am unfamiliar with that specific model.

May 25, 2020 - 10:04:51 AM
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12988 posts since 10/30/2008

That's a very interesting "height adjustable" tailpiece!

I have always like "full spun" metal rim banjos. The wood is very thin, and the entire banjo quite lightweight.

May 25, 2020 - 10:05:57 AM
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Looks like others that have been attributed to Abbott. I am sure it will be a great classic era banjo.

May 25, 2020 - 11:46:04 AM
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1382 posts since 4/25/2007

I'd say it's an Abbott, circa 1930, if the necks straight £250 - £300.

May 25, 2020 - 12:10:13 PM

4 posts since 4/13/2018

Thanks to all.
Really pleased with the response??
I put some new strings on and set it up (as best as an amateur can).
The adjusters wil need a little work , but it sounds great !
The case, despite being in poor condition the banjo itself is in extremely good condition.
Interestingly there is a very old locker ticket relating to Liverpool ????
There are markings on the skin made in USA. (With a feint signature on the underside.
Also an old string packet: national musical string co..one black diamond string.

May 25, 2020 - 2:31:32 PM

612 posts since 1/30/2019

Hi Phil,
I have an Abbott archtop guitar from the same period. Abbott produced high quality instruments, and yours looks really nice. I have a heap of Fretted Harmony magazines too, an old magazine produced by, or sponsored by Abbott. Quite a few advertisements for Abbott instruments - which may include yours. I'll have a nosey if I can make time.
Hope you enjoy playing it!
Andy

May 26, 2020 - 12:08:06 AM

1382 posts since 4/25/2007

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Originally posted by ole blue eyes

Thanks to all.
Really pleased with the response??
I put some new strings on and set it up (as best as an amateur can).
The adjusters wil need a little work , but it sounds great !
The case, despite being in poor condition the banjo itself is in extremely good condition.
Interestingly there is a very old locker ticket relating to Liverpool ????
There are markings on the skin made in USA. (With a feint signature on the underside.
Also an old string packet: national musical string co..one black diamond string.


It certainly looks to be in very original condition including the bridge. I'm not sure what you mean by adjusters ? You could try setting it up with nylon strings which you may find interesting. It also sounds like it retains the original Jos Rogers head. Nice find.

May 26, 2020 - 5:01:49 AM

2204 posts since 4/7/2010

Post the pictures on the forum page. I become uninterested as soon as I have to go to another link.

May 26, 2020 - 1:09:12 PM

4 posts since 4/13/2018

Hi, thanks for the input!
The pencil-like signature on the skin underside is Jos Rogers Jr. there it is also embossed with Superior extra warranted.
There is also another signature that looks like Lees Willows or Williams.
I am elated to have found this beautifully preserved banjo but would like to know if it is advisable to replace the bridge to improve string positioning.
The strings despite several attempts re-siting the bridge still sit too low for acceptable playability.

May 26, 2020 - 1:43:40 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by ole blue eyes

Hi, thanks for the input!
The pencil-like signature on the skin underside is Jos Rogers Jr. there it is also embossed with Superior extra warranted.
There is also another signature that looks like Lees Willows or Williams.
I am elated to have found this beautifully preserved banjo but would like to know if it is advisable to replace the bridge to improve string positioning.
The strings despite several attempts re-siting the bridge still sit too low for acceptable playability.


Hi Phillip, I am not sure what you mean.  Unless something has been altered during the life of the banjo, you should have high action with a 1/2" bridge.  The neck should have no back angle at the heel.  By that I mean that the fingerboard should be level with the head and not angle back like modern banjos do.

Check for shims or anything that has been shoved between the fingerboard and the stretcher hoop.  This is something that people will do whey they try to use steel wire strings on banjos not intended for them.  Most people find that classic era banjos have an action that is unsuitably high for steel strings. 

Your banjo was built for what is now called "classic banjo".  You can learn more about it by visiting https://classic-banjo.ning.com/

Nylon strings are a proper alternative to the original gut/silk/rayon strings.  The "classic banjo" tradition lasted much longer in England than it did in the US with BMG clubs still being popular up to WW2 (and after to a limited degree) and that was the market for this banjo.

Many people will tell you that your banjo will "stand up to steel string use" and that may be true, but it does not change what it is, a classic era banjo.

If you still have the original friction tuning pegs don't change them.  They will work find with appropriately sized nylon strings.  If you want a modern banjo with geared tuners, sell this one and buy what you want.

May 26, 2020 - 11:09:57 PM

4 posts since 4/13/2018

Thanks Joel: very informative ??
Also thanks for all comments : brilliant ??

May 27, 2020 - 7:44:17 AM

3430 posts since 3/28/2008

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Originally posted by ole blue eyes


The pencil-like signature on the skin underside is Jos Rogers Jr. there it is also embossed with Superior extra warranted.
 


Although Steve Prior hinted at it above, let me say explicitly that the Jos. Rogers marking is NOT a hand-done signature. It's a stamp indicating that the head was made by Rogers, a well-known brand of drum heads.

Edited by - Ira Gitlin on 05/27/2020 07:45:59

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