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May 11, 2020 - 8:40:10 AM
80 posts since 3/28/2010

I saw a YouTube video the other day that claimed Clifftop 2020 had been cancelled. I can find no evidence online to confirm that claim. Are any of you BHOers "in the know?"

May 11, 2020 - 9:35:58 AM

7083 posts since 11/4/2005

There is nothing on the department's website about cancellation.

May 11, 2020 - 1:57:38 PM
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2190 posts since 4/7/2010

I have been a vendor at Clifftop for 29 years. I expect them to check in with me by June 1st to let me know if it will go on as planned.

I'll post here as soon as I hear if the festival is going to continue as planned, or if it will be canceled.

Bob Smakula

May 12, 2020 - 8:20:42 AM

80 posts since 3/28/2010

Ah...an insider.
Thanks, Bob.

May 24, 2020 - 10:36:15 AM

1143 posts since 8/7/2017

For what it's worth, recent research now getting published on CV-19 is indicating that you need close personal contact to catch the disease from someone else. So, crowds at the grocery store are unlikely to give you the disease. Likewise, touching virus-contaminated surfaces will not give you the disease if you can keep from sticking your fingers in your eyes or mouth or nose.

Handwashing with soap and water is more effective in removing virus from your hands than alcohol hand sanitizer (the short contact time of alcohol with the skin is sometimes too short to kill the virus, is the problem). Soap plus abrasion, as you scrub, is what kills the virus, and water rinsing takes longer (flushing away virus live and dead) than hand sanitizer (which is not rinsed, usually, but just left to dry). Both  methods work, but s&w works better than alcohol.

Judicious management of contact with others should keep you safe. Maybe have your own tent or camper at Clifftop, but wandering around listening, or playing with others, seems to me, to be of low risk, based on the research I've seen reported. I'm not a doctor, just reporting what I've read.

Edited by - BrooksMT on 05/24/2020 10:41:07

May 25, 2020 - 7:44:20 PM

1624 posts since 4/10/2005

Clustering in a group for any length of time as in, more than a couple minutes----say, of playing, singing, talking , dancing, kibbutzing, or any combination thereof, for example---is precisely what the latest data indicates is problematic. If you want to maximize your chances of avoiding infection, that is. Not everyone cares about this. But for those who do, . . .There is also the issue of the Petri dish conditions at play for those not in close enough range to get there in the safety of their own vehicle.

It will be interesting to see what the festival decides, and what kind of turnout they have if they decide to go for it.  

Edited by - ceemonster on 05/25/2020 19:52:04

May 25, 2020 - 9:08:19 PM
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Bill Rogers (Moderator)

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Likely it will be warm and wet. People will be crowding together in tents and campers, especially if there are significant rains. Overall it sounds to me like a textbook scene for spreading Covid-19, using musicians as guinea pigs.

May 27, 2020 - 9:07:57 AM

2190 posts since 4/7/2010

I just checked in with my contacts at Camp Washington Carver. I was informed that the West Virginia Division of Culture and History will make the final decision in early June.

I personally expect it to canceled, but I will post the information as soon as it is announced.

Bob Smakula
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May 28, 2020 - 8:04:24 AM
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3879 posts since 5/12/2010

As much as I enjoy going, I won't be going to any festival until they have a working vaccine for this virus.

I am an overweight, out of shape 64 year old with COPD, diabetes, and cancer.

I can't afford to take any unnecessary risks.

May 31, 2020 - 3:43:52 PM
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1624 posts since 4/10/2005

[[[For what it's worth, recent research now getting published on CV-19 is indicating that you need close personal contact to catch the disease from someone else. So, crowds at the grocery store are unlikely to give you the disease. ]]]

This is actually an incorrect rendering of the data. Current research is reassuring us that going to the grocery store with social distancing, masking, and limits on how many are inside at once indeed has a low likelihood of transmission. "Crowds" at the grocery store, and crowding at the grocery store---that is another thing entirely.


The latest studies indicate that the likelihood of transmission goes up with Proximity + Duration. "Duration" being defined in this context as, more than a couple of minutes up close. (This is why the grocery store is less of a danger, given proper distancing, masking, and controls on number of people in the space.)

The proxmitiy-plus-duration formula goes for outdoors as well as indoors, though an airplane or airport where everyone's infected breath is being re-circulated through an enclosed system is all the worse. A jam festival has both of those variables in spades.

Of course, some people feel at low risk if they contract this virus, and also do not care about the risk to those they may infect even if they themselves are in little danger.

Jun 2, 2020 - 9:16:50 AM
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frailin

USA

6703 posts since 10/26/2005

A big concern is, with most of us (older folks) attending the festival for 9 days, if people begin getting sick at day 5, the WVA medical community might have trouble treating a buncha' folks on a remote mountain top that's hard to get to/from. On a good year, up to 4k attend Clifftop. Then there's the question of how those suffering would get home?

Jun 2, 2020 - 9:54:42 AM
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frailin

USA

6703 posts since 10/26/2005

From a FB Clifftop Group post:

Just got this email from Lisa from the Clifftop office. Clifftop is Cancelled for 2020:(

Hi Jane

It is with sadness and regret that the Department of Arts, Culture and History has decided to suspend the Appalachian String Band Music Festival for 2020.

In these uncertain times, although we cannot predict what the status of the Covid-19 Virus will be in less than 60 days from now, the Department of Arts, Culture and History believe that this action is necessary and prudent to protect the health and safety of all participants, as well as the health and safety of the Fayette County community and those individuals attending festival activities.

To all who have supported us in the past, we thank you and we look forward to the 2021 Appalachian String Band Music Festival to an even better festival than before!

Once again, thanks to all and we will see you in 2021!!

Jun 2, 2020 - 10:36:45 AM
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2190 posts since 4/7/2010

I posted a new thread with the title of Clifftop Is Officially Canceled to differentiate it from speculation that the festival will likely be canceled.

Bob Smakula

Jun 2, 2020 - 10:39:14 AM
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2190 posts since 4/7/2010

Interesting that there is another festival that goes by the name Clifftop that was canceled much earlier. That may be the source of the original poster's misinformation.

Jun 3, 2020 - 1:36:09 PM

80 posts since 3/28/2010

Thanks, all.

Jun 5, 2020 - 7:02:24 AM

3879 posts since 5/12/2010

Most festivals are being canceled due to this virus. I think all of them should be.

We have a huge festival in Chattanooga called "Riverbend" which is usually going on about now, but it was canceled this year too.


 

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