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Apr 9, 2020 - 5:36:10 AM
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Interested in my first OB Banjo. Pefer Bart Reiter. Can I get an explanation of the tonal differences of the Whyte Lady, Dobophone and Bacophone tone rings.

Apr 9, 2020 - 6:11:23 AM
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jbalch

USA

8704 posts since 11/28/2003

I play (and recommed) Bart's banjos. They are an excellent choice (and great value). They respond well to set=up choices. So you can alter then character of any of those models - within a significant range - depending on the type (and tension) of head, type of bridge, tailpiece & strings you use.

Whyte Laydie (WL) - known for having a nice "punchy" sound. Depending on your set-up, can sound plenty bright and cutting. I would describe the sustain as "medium" (ie: more than a wood rim or brass hoop .... but a good bit less than a tubaphone). This is the traditional "go-to" banjo for playing in a string band.

Bacon tone ring - more "woody" sounding than a WL. A little less bright tone. Sustain is soft & warm.

Dobson tone ring - very similar to the Bacon. Tone may be a little more warm & woody. Sustain is subtle and very pleasing.

JB

ps: there is one other option with Bart's banjos. that is his "plus" combination (which is my personal favorite. The "Plus" is a Bacon tone ring combined on top of a whyte laydie scallop. I think you get the best of both. There are plenty of Reiter banjo sound samples on my media page. Below are some played on my 2012 Bacophone- PLUS.

Stay well and enjoy!


Apr 9, 2020 - 10:47:09 AM

517 posts since 7/10/2012

quote:
Originally posted by jbalch


ps: there is one other option with Bart's banjos. that is his "plus" combination (which is my personal favorite. The "Plus" is a Bacon tone ring combined on top of a whyte laydie scallop. I think you get the best of both. There are plenty of Reiter banjo sound samples on my media page. Below are some played on my 2012 Bacophone- PLUS.
 


Hey John, do I recall you also trying a hotrod setup with a whyte laydie and a dobson?  If you did, do you have any sound files of that combination?  

Thanks,

David 

Apr 9, 2020 - 12:16:34 PM

jbalch

USA

8704 posts since 11/28/2003

I have converted a few Reiter Whyte Laydie banjos to the "plus" configuration. In the past, Bart used Whyte Laydie rings sourced from Stew-Mac. Their Bacon rings were an exact fit - to replace the outer skirt on the Whyte Laydie ring.

I don't know about Rickard Parts and whether they would fit. And I am not 100% sure where Bart sources his tone rings now. So would be best to research a little before trying.

As for the Rickard Dobson ring, it has a significantly shorter skirt that the Bacon or Whyte Laydie. So it would not replace the outer sleeve (skirt) on a WL ring. I have not tried that combo.

However I have installedRickard Dobson rings on a number of banjos. IMPORTANT: they are slightly under-size. They are made to fit Keller drum shells (common rim material for many builders). Those shells are about 1/8" cmaller than the advertised size (ie: 10 7/8" - not true 11")


Edited by - jbalch on 04/09/2020 12:21:04

Apr 9, 2020 - 2:14:48 PM

bc5000

USA

113 posts since 1/23/2007

According to Reiter's website the Whyte Laydie model has been discontinued.

Apr 9, 2020 - 2:22:05 PM

jbalch

USA

8704 posts since 11/28/2003

quote:
Originally posted by bc5000

According to Reiter's website the Whyte Laydie model has been discontinued.


That is true.  But the Galax and Regent models both have whyte laydie tone rings.

All that was discontinued really was the engraved griffin inlay on the peghead of the whyte laydie model.  Otherwise it is the same as a regent. 

Apr 9, 2020 - 3:05:59 PM
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Eric A

USA

576 posts since 10/15/2019

There's a Bart Reiter Whyte Laydie listed in the BHO classifieds right now.

Apr 9, 2020 - 4:32:14 PM

bc5000

USA

113 posts since 1/23/2007

quote:
Originally posted by jbalch
quote:
Originally posted by bc5000

According to Reiter's website the Whyte Laydie model has been discontinued.


That is true.  But the Galax and Regent models both have whyte laydie tone rings.

All that was discontinued really was the engraved griffin inlay on the peghead of the whyte laydie model.  Otherwise it is the same as a regent. 

 


Oh yeah you're right. Probably not too many wanted the fancy inlay anyway.

Apr 14, 2020 - 9:33:25 PM

1605 posts since 4/10/2005

Well, there was an earlier Bart Reiter WL that also had the technically correct (for a "White Laydie") bracket band. That was discontinued first, and the WL model continued sans bb but with the Griffin & WL #2 inlay. Purists would call it an "Electric," but who cares. That iteration endures today in your choice of mahogany ( Galax) or maple (Regent), just with more Kyle Creed-ish cosmetics,which I like as much as the classic WL look.

Edited by - ceemonster on 04/14/2020 21:34:13

Apr 17, 2020 - 6:45:10 PM

1605 posts since 4/10/2005

Somewhat a propos of this topic, I have been dithering for about a year over whether to special-order a Dobaphone 12-inch in blonde maple, or a blonde-maple Bacophone-Plus. And the question still isn't resolved.  "Both" isn't really an option, as I already possess more than one delightful example of Mr. Reiter's wizardry.

Edited by - ceemonster on 04/17/2020 18:46:12

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