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Mar 31, 2020 - 8:13 AM
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Sorry, was trying to help some friends.  Didn't think this all the way through.  Stay safe out there.

Edited by - GrascalsFan on 04/01/2020 11:21:56

Mar 31, 2020 - 8:58:46 AM
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466 posts since 4/28/2012

quote:
Originally posted by GrascalsFan

 

 

During this time of staying home and finding things to do, why not learn your instrument with these world-class players.

 


Why not?

Well... because many of us are unemployed right now, sir.

And the next few months will, perhaps, be even tougher. Right now I'm trying to stay afloat and feed my family. Assuming these lessons are not free, it would be a stretch for many of us now.

Mar 31, 2020 - 12:54:17 PM
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460 posts since 2/6/2018

That is a fair and real statement, Mark. Many of my friends and families are in the same boat. I would argue that nobody knows that better than Kristen and Wayne. Like most successful bluegrass artists, performing is their only source of income and they need to survive just, like us, in a way that makes sense to them. Naturally, sharing and teaching the skill that got them there in the first place is the first place I'd turn to in their shoes. Bottom line: there is a lot of pain out there right now and we need to be cognizant of others particular situations. Not preaching, just saying what I see.

Apr 1, 2020 - 6:25:17 AM

466 posts since 4/28/2012

quote:
Originally posted by MoJoBanjo  Like most successful bluegrass artists, performing is their only source of income and they need to survive just, like us, in a way that makes sense to them. Naturally, sharing and teaching the skill that got them there in the first place is the first place I'd turn to in their shoes. 

 

 

Yes, I understand what you are saying.... but selling lessons is not really a viable or practical solution right now!

Even in normal times, paying for music lessons is a luxury that comes from having disposable income!

We are all going to have to be resourceful and "think outside the box" these next few months (or more!).

Grascals fan (the name of their band, by the way) comes on here and makes it sound like it's as easy as fallin' off a log!

Just sign up for lessons folks, what else you gotta do?  Please, get a grip on the reality we are facing Grascals Fan!

I know many, many musicians who are hurting right now. They are selling instruments, amps, pedals, accessories, personal items,etc.

Moreover, those folks I know who have "extra income" are focused on helping out grandma and grandpa, the elderly couple down

the street, the family across the block that has four kids and now both parents are laid off! BOTTOM LINE:   Music lessons are way down on the list of priorities right now!

 

Some folks like Banjo Ben, True Fire, and Homespun are offering free or greatly reduced lessons right now!  Sometimes it's not just about money! I am keeping a mental note of all of them!

I can tell you this... when we get to the other side of this I will definitely remember those companies!

Edited by - Mark Douglas on 04/01/2020 06:27:47

Apr 1, 2020 - 6:52:01 AM

24 posts since 2/7/2020

quote:
Originally posted by MoJoBanjo

Like most successful bluegrass artists, performing is their only source of income and they need to survive just, like us, in a way that makes sense to them. Naturally, sharing and teaching the skill that got them there in the first place is the first place I'd turn to in their shoes.


They've both been teaching students for years, just to clarify.

Apr 1, 2020 - 6:56:50 AM

460 posts since 2/6/2018

Correct. I wqs referring to actively promoting themselves on this site and others.
Originally posted by earlstanleycrowe
quote:
Originally posted by MoJoBanjo

Like most successful bluegrass artists, performing is their only source of income and they need to survive just, like us, in a way that makes sense to them. Naturally, sharing and teaching the skill that got them there in the first place is the first place I'd turn to in their shoes.


They've both been teaching students for years, just to clarify.


Apr 1, 2020 - 7:03:21 AM

115 posts since 9/1/2018

What are their rates? Can't find it on the web.

Apr 1, 2020 - 7:26:59 AM
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conic

England

763 posts since 2/15/2014

it could be a scam, the grassfan has made 4 posts since 2014 and all for the same thing no other posts and has the PM disabled
why dont kristin make an effort and post themselves like banjo ben, geoff hohwald and eli gilbert etc

Mark is right, this could roll out for a long time so food and shelter first, some people have no money coming in.

Apr 1, 2020 - 7:34:31 AM

466 posts since 4/28/2012

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Originally posted by conic

it could be a scam, the grassfan has made 4 posts since 2014 and all for the same thing no other posts and has the PM disabled
why dont kristin make an effort and post themselves like banjo ben, geoff hohwald and eli gilbert etc

Mark is right, this could roll out for a long time so food and shelter first, some people have no money coming in.


 

 

Hey Conic.... my thoughts precisely!

 

Furthermore...   If anyone has extra money, please donate to The American Red Cross, Salvation Army, groups associated with

Covid-19 relief. The  "me time, me first" era has now officially come to an end!

Apr 1, 2020 - 7:44:03 AM

466 posts since 4/28/2012

 

They've both been teaching students for years, just to clarify.


 

 

Yes....yes... yes...like so many other talented, dedicated amazing teachers who have made a living giving lessons for decades.

No one has a monopoly on hardship or suffering right now! No one should be in the "me first" mode at this time!

The American Red Cross is accepting donations now! Salvation Army needs donations desperately.

Anyone with "money to burn" please donate to your favorite charity in this time of great need!

There will be time for lessons, jam sessions, concerts, gigs, etc.... when we get to the other side of this!

Now is not that time!

Apr 1, 2020 - 7:49:41 AM

466 posts since 4/28/2012

quote:
Originally posted by MoJoBanjo

That is a fair and real statement, Mark. Many of my friends and families are in the same boat. I would argue that nobody knows that better than Kristen and Wayne. 


Hey Mark, it sounds as though you know them personally...

It is very noble of you and Grascals Fan to advocate for them.

However, as you wrote.... many "are in the same boat"

If we are going to promote the Bensons, then we must promote all teachers and musicians here with equal fervor!

That's what I'm sayin'!

Apr 1, 2020 - 7:51:43 AM

466 posts since 4/28/2012

quote:
Originally posted by conic


why dont kristin make an effort and post themselves like banjo ben, geoff hohwald and eli gilbert


Thank you!

Another bit of clarity here.

Apr 1, 2020 - 7:52:24 AM
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24 posts since 2/7/2020

Here's a decade old thread from Mandolincafe from Mr. Benson offering lessons. Same email address. mandolincafe.com/forum/threads...g-lessons

If you go to the IIIrd Time Out website you can get contact information for Mr. Benson and other members of the band who are offering lessons.

They've been teaching when not performing to pay the bills, feed their kids for years. Not uncommon for bluegrass players at all.

Apr 1, 2020 - 8:01:20 AM
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460 posts since 2/6/2018

Nope. Have met them, don't know them personally. Again, as a consumer, you are able to exercise your right to engage or not. Everyone is different and are dealing with their own circumstances. As stated, your opinion is valid and real, but not applicable for everyone. As earlstanleycrowe mentions, folks in all industries are trying to survive as best they can. That's all and let's leave it at that.
Originally posted by Mark Douglas
quote:
Originally posted by MoJoBanjo

That is a fair and real statement, Mark. Many of my friends and families are in the same boat. I would argue that nobody knows that better than Kristen and Wayne. 


Hey Mark, it sounds as though you know them personally...

It is very noble of you and Grascals Fan to advocate for them.

However, as you wrote.... many "are in the same boat"

If we are going to promote the Bensons, then we must promote all teachers and musicians here with equal fervor!

That's what I'm sayin'!


Apr 1, 2020 - 9:16:45 AM

conic

England

763 posts since 2/15/2014

Sorry, forgot to mention Colton Crawford from the Dead South who has posted so much free stuff on here.
I also agree that professional musicians also need to put food on the table any way they can in these hard times..

Apr 1, 2020 - 10:31:42 AM

conic

England

763 posts since 2/15/2014

Had an email back from Kristin and she said as below so If you can afford it then its safe to do so,
Not really listen to Kristen before so I have Just been watching some of her videos and wow she sure can pick  yes

"We didn't make the posts, but yes, we are teaching lessons and that email is correct, so not a scam! Thx for letting us know.
Stay safe, Kristin."

Apr 1, 2020 - 11:58:32 AM
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Mooooo

USA

7816 posts since 8/20/2016

Although I can't ever afford to take lessons, I sure would love to be able to take lessons from Kristin. I don't think you were doing anything wrong by suggesting it either.

Apr 1, 2020 - 2:42:20 PM
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AGACNP

USA

84 posts since 10/12/2011

I’d never taken a lesson in my life (a matter of principal, I reckon...did Earl take lessons?), until a local former pro (y’all would know who I mean) told me: “let me help you out a little.” Until recently, I went to his house biweekly for nearly a year. His instant, objective feedback has been invaluable. Now I see the incredible value of lessons. Now I find myself kinda eyeballing Noam Pikelnys upcoming lesson offering on Artist Works...

I took the suggestion from the OP as I would with an ad offering of an original pre WW2 RB Granada...wouldn’t be able to afford that in the best of financial times. So, take it or leave it.

There are those who wouldn’t currently be able to afford lessons, but some will be able to. If you can, and want to...go for it.

In a similar vein...my wife and I usually don’t go out to eat. However, we have indulged more in eating local take out, trying to contribute our “grain of sand” to local businesses.

Be kind to each other, we’re banjo players. I’ll leave it at that.

Edited by - AGACNP on 04/01/2020 14:45:48

Apr 1, 2020 - 5:24:25 PM

466 posts since 4/28/2012

quote:
Originally posted by AGACNP

I’d never taken a lesson in my life (a matter of principal, I reckon...did Earl take lessons?), until a local former pro (y’all would know who I mean) told me: “let me help you out a little.” 

I took the suggestion from the OP as I would with an ad offering of an original pre WW2 RB Granada...wouldn’t be able to afford that in the best of financial times. So, take it or leave it.

 


 

Well, there's just one small problem with that logic...These are not the "best of financial times". And the "take it or leave it" mentality are the words of the well off. Many are not right now... so well off. Sort of like the guy trying to sell his Duesenberg during the Great Depression. You might be sellin' but nobody's buyin'.

Apr 1, 2020 - 7:05:17 PM
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AGACNP

USA

84 posts since 10/12/2011

In America, we take for granted many luxuries as our way of life.

I’d posit that even owning one banjo is a luxury, in any financial situation. I happen to own three...and a bass (inherited from my dad, and a nice guitar. I’ve accumulated all these over a lifetime of hard work. Do I deserve them? After visiting other countries where the majority do not own these kinds of things, I pause to wonder.

“Take it or leave it” simply meant...don’t purchase lessons if you can’t afford them. Same as if times are good and choosing to buy “one more banjo” (BAS is often discussed here) means I can’t afford that additional prewar Gibson.

Apr 2, 2020 - 6:55:15 AM
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Nothing wrong with suggesting lessons or playing more. Many people are home more with less to do. I provide and shop for my elderly sick parents, help neighbors in need. I am feeling the financial bind as well. I had to cancel my biweekly lessons, more from the perspective of doing my civic duty than the expense. I'm sure not buying anything besides food for the next month and cooking in. If someone can afford some online lessons at this time great, if not there are plenty of free resources to take advantage of as well. I see nothing here to be arguing over. I hope all stay well and get through this.

Apr 3, 2020 - 9:32:10 AM
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250 posts since 10/23/2010

quote:
Originally posted by GrascalsFan

Sorry, was trying to help some friends.  Didn't think this all the way through.  Stay safe out there.


Grascal Fan, 

You have nothing to be sorry about. 
You're not twisting anyone's arm or forcing anyone to do anything. You simply made a statement concerning lesson availability. 

I am very fortunate to fall under "essential" personnel in my job, and feel terrible for all those who are not working and perhaps struggling to make ends meet. 

Those Musicians also have bills to pay and mouths to feed, and some are probably wondering where their next dollar is coming from ... so if they can sell a lesson to a 'willing' and able customer, it's a win/win

This is a difficult time for everyone. We all just have to get through it the best way we can. 

Apr 3, 2020 - 10:15:35 AM

254 posts since 2/15/2015

Populate you luthiers shop with a detail you need straightening out.

Apr 16, 2020 - 7:15:32 PM

21 posts since 2/27/2016

quote:
Originally posted by jchipps_1
quote:
Originally posted by GrascalsFan

Sorry, was trying to help some friends.  Didn't think this all the way through.  Stay safe out there.


Grascal Fan, 

You have nothing to be sorry about. 
You're not twisting anyone's arm or forcing anyone to do anything. You simply made a statement concerning lesson availability. 

I am very fortunate to fall under "essential" personnel in my job, and feel terrible for all those who are not working and perhaps struggling to make ends meet. 

Those Musicians also have bills to pay and mouths to feed, and some are probably wondering where their next dollar is coming from ... so if they can sell a lesson to a 'willing' and able customer, it's a win/win

This is a difficult time for everyone. We all just have to get through it the best way we can. 


Jeff, nice comments, agree with your viewpoint regarding lessons during this difficult and bizarre time that we are currently experiencing.

Apr 17, 2020 - 5:20:46 AM

250 posts since 10/23/2010

Thank you Rob.

The future’s beginning to look brighter ... with a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.

Take care my friend.

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