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Feb 20, 2020 - 6:27:07 PM
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181 posts since 2/11/2009

It's not often you see a guitar-banjo this old. My best guess is 1870-1890 based on the heel and the tuners. Those tuners are beautiful, with real bone buttons and hand-stamped decorations; they're probably imported from France or Germany and this style was basically gone from US-made guitars by 1900.

I think someone made their own neck and attached it to a factory rim. The neck is finished differently to the inside of the pot, and the dowel isn't finished at all. The markers and letters are all decals that were applied before the neck was finished (there's finish on the fretboard as well). It's possible that the markers and finish were applied long after the neck was built, but it's still a very old finish and the stamp on the dowel doesn't look like a later addition. The only other marking is a "3" stamped inside the rim, possibly a serial?

Any idea who made the pot, let alone the neck? There's a thin, rolled tone ring in there and a thick head that looks like it came straight off the goat. The tailpiece is a modern no-knot.








Feb 20, 2020 - 6:44:43 PM

2333 posts since 3/30/2008

What is the scale ? (it seems fairly long. Are you sure it's a six string ? could there possibly be a tunneled 5th ? )

Feb 20, 2020 - 6:48:33 PM

181 posts since 2/11/2009

The scale is just shy of 25.5", which is longer than most guitars of the period but not unprecedented. It's definitely built as a 6-string.

Feb 20, 2020 - 7:06:37 PM

1007 posts since 3/21/2013

quote:
Originally posted by OldFrets

It's not often you see a guitar-banjo this old. My best guess is 1870-1890 based on the heel and the tuners. Those tuners are beautiful, with real bone buttons and hand-stamped decorations; they're probably imported from France or Germany and this style was basically gone from US-made guitars by 1900.

I think someone made their own neck and attached it to a factory rim. The neck is finished differently to the inside of the pot, and the dowel isn't finished at all. The markers and letters are all decals that were applied before the neck was finished (there's finish on the fretboard as well). It's possible that the markers and finish were applied long after the neck was built, but it's still a very old finish and the stamp on the dowel doesn't look like a later addition. The only other marking is a "3" stamped inside the rim, possibly a serial?

Any idea who made the pot, let alone the neck? There's a thin, rolled tone ring in there and a thick head that looks like it came straight off the goat. The tailpiece is a modern no-knot.


oooh glad someone snagged this!

Feb 20, 2020 - 8:19:31 PM

deke46

Australia

108 posts since 8/30/2009

Hi there, TDennis could have a point, the fifth fret star is wa-y off- set which does suggest a tunnelled fifth.

Feb 21, 2020 - 3:02:57 AM

181 posts since 2/11/2009

There is no sign of a tunnelled 5th. The other fret markers are also off-center and the nut is way too wide for a 5-string banjo.

Edited by - OldFrets on 02/21/2020 03:05:14

Feb 21, 2020 - 4:44:13 AM
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csacwp

USA

2590 posts since 1/15/2014

Definitely a banjo guitar, and likely from the 1890s. Looks like it could have been made by Buckbee.

Feb 21, 2020 - 7:55:27 AM

1007 posts since 3/21/2013

Feb 21, 2020 - 7:58:20 AM

1007 posts since 3/21/2013

https://www.banjohangout.org/group/fretlessbanjoplayers/blog/6387One more. Seems to be another one of those "buckbee" parts for import/export.


Feb 21, 2020 - 1:46:12 PM

1007 posts since 3/21/2013

sorry, mobile posting added those photos for some reason

Feb 23, 2020 - 9:16:55 PM

277 posts since 2/22/2015

The MOT inlay and pattern remind me of late teens early '20s Rettburg and Lange made Supertones. As well as the three tiered hook nuts are like some R&L's I've had. I stand to be corrected, but think the MOT was post 19th century at least. The Sears catalogs seem to go along with that. All the R&L's I have owned had similar number placement in the pot as well.

Edited by - AlanCook on 02/23/2020 21:22:06

Feb 24, 2020 - 3:01:42 AM

181 posts since 2/11/2009

There is no MOTS - or even inlays. The markers are decals or something applied with adhesive. I can't speak to the rim, but the neck is not of the same quality as R&L banjos.

Feb 25, 2020 - 6:07:19 PM

277 posts since 2/22/2015

Ok, well the nuts are R&L or came from one. They are pretty much a fingerprint. That rim number coincides too. R&L made everything from near junk to jewels.

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