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Feb 20, 2020 - 5:09:07 AM
5481 posts since 10/13/2007

I am having a problem hearing the backup on most of my Scruggs & Flatt recordings. When I listen to Come Back Darling on my computer, I use head phones and Amazing Slow Downer and have the ASD set at its highest setting. I try using the equalizer bar on all its settings. still, I can only hear the fills at the end of the line. I cannot hear the rolls behind the singer, especially in the lower range. However, I know they can be heard on the recording because when I listen to it wearing my I-pod nano, I can hear them, but I cannot slow them down while using the nano.
So I wonder, is it the slowdowner that stops them from being heard on my computer or maybe do I need a better sound card on my computer? I know nothing about sound cards except they are there. Or is there another factor? Could it be the headphones or speakers on my computer?
I feel if I could slow down and hear what I hear on my nano....boy oh boy, what a way to improve and what great listening as well.
Thanks for reading.
Ken

Edited by - From Greylock to Bean Blossom on 02/20/2020 05:15:36

Feb 20, 2020 - 6:06:25 AM

2348 posts since 1/16/2013

Hey Ken, I don't have any experience with the ASD but I do audio editing every day on computer. My computer crashed about 2 weeks ago and I got back rolling with another Dell (Windows) desktop. "Windows 10" is the operating system. A couple of years ago with a new desktop I was frustrated at the "digital" sound of the computer overall. I don't know how to explain it but it just wasn't the same....almost like analog vs digital....weird frequencies amplified over others. I noticed this with music and spoken word as well. NOW with the new computer it's even worse. A lot more bass and low mids that can "muffle" things. I have very nice Klipsch speakers with a sub woofer.
On another note, I don't like the digital soundboards now either. Overall they are better but the tones are just not like the old analog stuff. But tech is ever changing...it is what it is...

Are you using Windows or Mac?

-Jim

Feb 20, 2020 - 6:22:32 AM

5481 posts since 10/13/2007

Jim,
Thanks for your reply. I am using an old Dell computer with windows 7. So I do not have it connected on line because there is no more support or protection for windows 7.
ken

Feb 20, 2020 - 9:56:47 AM
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kjcole

USA

1228 posts since 4/21/2003

I'm no expert, but maybe 1) digital file format (encoding bit rate, compression, etc). 2) possibility of automatic noise reduction settings at the hardware or software levels??

Feb 20, 2020 - 12:03:09 PM
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1606 posts since 2/10/2013

When I use ASD, the quality of the music on the original recording are frequently inadequate. The recording of some of the old records were not in standard tuning, or in standard pitch. I am not aware of what created those problems.

More than once I have had to "hunt down" better quality recordings. Unless it is my imagination, the quality of some tunes on my external storage seem to deteriorate. My mind says "it must be your imagination !!!", but my ears are saying "imagination my butt".

Feb 23, 2020 - 4:54:32 PM
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1076 posts since 8/7/2017

You could try the free Audacity program (mac and windows versions). It will separately slowdown and/or alter pitch (to change key or change by partial semitones to get song on standard pitch or whatever pitch you want). I have not experienced muddiness with these changes; but if you get real slow (to hear each note with spacing), then I get pitch anomolies and clicking. Slowing in the range of 20-50% has worked fine for me, with clear melody etc.

This appears to be a very feature rich, professional quality program (I'm not a pro, though). There is a support community to help you, along with online (downloadable) documentation. I've probably only used 1% of the features, so maybe there is one specifically for your problem.

audacityteam.org/

Hope this helps. If you want to try it and run into problems, I'd be happy to share what I know in more detail.

Feb 28, 2020 - 9:38:45 AM
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2144 posts since 4/5/2006

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Originally posted by BrooksMT

You could try the free Audacity program (mac and windows versions). It will separately slowdown and/or alter pitch (to change key or change by partial semitones to get song on standard pitch or whatever pitch you want). I have not experienced muddiness with these changes; but if you get real slow (to hear each note with spacing), then I get pitch anomolies and clicking. Slowing in the range of 20-50% has worked fine for me, with clear melody etc.

This appears to be a very feature rich, professional quality program (I'm not a pro, though). There is a support community to help you, along with online (downloadable) documentation. I've probably only used 1% of the features, so maybe there is one specifically for your problem.

audacityteam.org/

Hope this helps. If you want to try it and run into problems, I'd be happy to share what I know in more detail.


OK, so after hearing about this app for quite a while, I downloaded it. SOB, in the time it would take me to figure out how to simply change the tempo in this app, let alone loop a segment,  I could have a masters degree in music! sad 

Feb 28, 2020 - 4:02:55 PM
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1076 posts since 8/7/2017

monstertone
Skip the instructions, written by geeks for geeks, just play around with it.

Starting from scratch....Goal: load a .mp3, and change pitch and tempo.
Getting the music.mp3 into Aud:
click on File, then click on Open, then choose your .mp3 (Aud will open the last file folder you used, so navigate to the folder holding your file, just like any Windows navigation...I often put the song on the desktop before I start Aud as I find it less time consuming to navigate to Desktop rather than drill down to the folder I saved the song to originally.)

Tempo change (w/o changing pitch):
Click on Effect, then click Tempo. See boxes. I change by % usually. Type in the % change you want (eg type -30 for 30% slower) positive=faster, negative=slower. Listen to the results (hit the green arrow icon). If you don't like it, then click Edit, then select Undo change tempo. If you've made 2 edits, the unwinding of the edits occurs as last in first unwound order.

Pitch change (w/o changing tempo)
Effect, Change Pitch. Type in semitones you want to change by. eg. to change D to C, then type -2. You can correct for off standard pitch old records by typeing in less than 1, eg. -.3 to decrease pitch by a third of a semitone.

If you get lost, you can always either Use Edit to cancel change pitch, or simply exit Aud (red X in upper right corner of screen), and click No when asked if you want to save changes. I do this if I can't unwind the previous Edits or Effects w/o messing up ones I like.

Another useful Effect is Normalize; this will usually increase volume of the song, if the recording was not loud enough to give normal play volume. Note, Normalize won't increase vol. if there are loud spikes of noise. There are procedures to reduce noise then Normalize.

Saving your work: File/Save Project As, Type a new name or edit the existing name. This allows you to save and not erase previous project, say if you are not sure you will like the result till you play it. An Aud file save gives you 2 files: A file with the name you chose, and a file folder with the chosenname_data designation. The data folder is much bigger than the .aud file. If you move the aud file, you also have to move the data folder too.

As always with computers, backing-up your .mp3 song and Aud files, etc. before you tackle a new change is a good idea.

So, loading a song, changing it's tempo and pitch, and reverting back to unchanged song are hopefully covered for you. There are people here who know more about Aud than me :-), but I"ll try to answer questions if you have some.

You can play your edited song through Aud, or you can save the edited version as a .mp3 or other format (File/Export Audio, choose a format). The Aud file plus data folder take up more diskspace than the .mp3, plus the .mp3 can be played with any .mp3 player (far as I know), eg. VLC player.

Hope this helps.

Edited by - BrooksMT on 02/28/2020 16:08:34

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