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Feb 13, 2020 - 1:16:21 PM

jfb

USA

2372 posts since 9/30/2004

Just curious ( and / or dumb ) ?
Could a big G fiddle cut peg head be reshaped to a double cut?
Thanks for any answers.

Feb 13, 2020 - 1:35:13 PM
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RioStat

USA

5181 posts since 10/12/2009

Maybe I'm dumb.....what's a "big G" ?  (I know what a fiddle-cut headstock is)

Feb 13, 2020 - 2:30:57 PM

10669 posts since 6/2/2008

I'm sure "Big G" means Gibson.

I believe a fiddle cut can be changed to double cut. But it's not for the unskilled or faint of heart. I think it would involve sawing off the fiddle shape parts and all curved edges, gluing on new wider ears and then cutting to the new shape.

This is an over-simplification, since the outer end haas to change as well and a double cut peghead is longer than the fiddle cut.

It also might be possible to do something drastic and cut off the peghead on angle and glue on all new wood to create the double cut.

And it might be that this weakens the peghead and should be avoided.

I know that Banjo Newsletter in the 1970s had a photo essay from an anonymous contributor showing how he had converted an RB-100 to full Mastertone design, including reshaping the peghead. I don't recall if he went from paddle to something else or fiddle to double cut. I'll search for it and report what I find.

Feb 13, 2020 - 3:03:54 PM

jfb

USA

2372 posts since 9/30/2004

I was referring to Gibson, more exact to the pre war era. I was just curious to know ie, if the double cut would overlay the fiddle shape without any wood added, if that males any sense ( and it likely doesn’t). And could just be reshaped. Thanks

Feb 13, 2020 - 4:01:52 PM

roydsjr

USA

665 posts since 5/17/2007

You would have to add wood. I have 2 prewar templates and I have compared them in the past. Ken had it right that the Double cut is longer.

Feb 13, 2020 - 5:51:03 PM

Blackjaxe47

Canada

1497 posts since 6/20/2014

I just made a quick check and compared the Fiddle Head on my Arch Top to my RB3 and it's close to a 1/8" shorter than the Double Cut on the RB3. You could reshape the last part to conform to the double cut and I don't think it would be that noticeable.

Feb 13, 2020 - 5:56:06 PM
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Here are the two shown against one another with the bottom holes lined up.

I don't know how you could possibly convert one to the other.

Feb 13, 2020 - 6:38:22 PM

10679 posts since 10/27/2006

quote:
Originally posted by jfb

Just curious ( and / or dumb ) ?
Could a big G fiddle cut peg head be reshaped to a double cut?
Thanks for any answers.


Yes. But as you can see from Ken's drawings, you would have to add wings to get the additional area to cut. 

Now Gibson headstocks also have wings — at least every one I've ever seen and owned going back to my 'teens Gibson mandolin and '23 RB-3. If you're lucky, you can use the same glue line for the new wings as the original; otherwise, you're looking at making the center piece narrower and there's nothing wrong with that. Don't worry if the glue line goes through the tuner holes—properly glued, it'll last over a hundred years.

Only by working with full sized drawings on your headstock will you know.

Feb 14, 2020 - 6:19:46 AM
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It seems it would be a lot of trouble for nothing. It would be just as cost efficient to get a new neck and leave the original peghead alone.

Feb 14, 2020 - 6:31:37 AM
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stanger

USA

7309 posts since 9/29/2004

quote:
Originally posted by jfb

I was referring to Gibson, more exact to the pre war era. I was just curious to know ie, if the double cut would overlay the fiddle shape without any wood added, if that males any sense ( and it likely doesn’t). And could just be reshaped. Thanks


Nope. The double cut could be done, but the peghead would be much smaller as a lot of wood would be lost in the cutting.

Personally, I like both shapes equally well; others prefer one over the other, but I think both are about equally popular overall. I can't see any sales advantage into changing the shape this way. 

regards,

stanger

Feb 14, 2020 - 2:51:40 PM
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2486 posts since 4/16/2003

Mark Harper has it right.

More trouble than it's worth.
Might not come out as well as hoped for.

I'd leave it alone.
If you just have-to-have "double-cut"... get a new neck.

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