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Jan 28, 2020 - 5:33:44 AM
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DC5

USA

9295 posts since 6/30/2015

So my new PC arrived yesterday, and I started setting it up this morning. So far I hate Win 10 and I'm still installing. I ran Win 10 at my last job, but didn't get to set it up. Right off the bat Cortana starts talking to me. I can turn off the mic, but is there any way to disable it? I've turned off everything I can related to privacy. Don't want it to find my location, don't want hints and tips, pretty much want to be left alone.

As soon as I get everything I need transferred, I'll load Linux on the old PC and once I can get it to do what I want I'll dump Win 10

Jan 28, 2020 - 5:49:23 AM
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rinemb

USA

11888 posts since 5/24/2005

Alarming post for sure. I am endeavoring to change over 3 computers from W7 to W10, along a number programs that will need upgraded to be compatible.
I now believe I will go ahead and let me computer guy do it all, one at a time.

He also says time to trust the cloud and sign up with Carbonite, change my Kaspersky protection, etc.

Please keep us updated on your progress and feelings. Brad

Jan 28, 2020 - 8:29:50 AM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

23727 posts since 8/3/2003

I've never cared for Windows 10. Too many problems with it. So far, I haven't talked to many people who do like it. Wonder why they keep it around if everyone hates it?

I don't intend to go up to Windows 10 if I don't just have to. I'll stay with 7 and just be careful what sites I visit and what URLs I click on, have a good anti-virus and malware and hope for the best.

Jan 28, 2020 - 9:06:58 AM
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conic

UK

635 posts since 2/15/2014
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Most people only hate windows 10 because they dont understand it, me included so i have had it since 2016 but changed it to "classic view" and it looks just like windows 7 never had it crash or any problems. Try this site for good advice.. https://www.tenforums.com/

I pay 18 quid every year for a 5 licence norton and never had a problem since 2012. I remember the old days of spending weeks trying to recover infected files so this way is cheaper than my time.

Clouds, I just dont trust them, I keep my own backups on a 1TB portable USB drive and regularly back that up to a 2TB drive.

Top Tip, Use a 1m USB extension on the portable drive and screw the drive to the back of the desk out of sight, If you get burgled they will steal your computer but first pull out all the leads therefore you will lose the PC but still have your drive & files.

Jan 28, 2020 - 9:38:36 AM
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9243 posts since 2/22/2007

This will be a geezer rant or an "OK Boomer" thing, but operating systems have NOT progressed, at least not for how I want to use them. Apple lost their intuitive easy to use edge at OSX, and Windows has been making my wife cry with most major updates for years. I just bought a cheap Chromebook for my lightweight browsing and hope that I can stop unlearning how to accomplish routine things. We will see.

Jan 28, 2020 - 10:10:03 AM
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DC5

USA

9295 posts since 6/30/2015

I just figure with all the data and personal information they're stealing, they oughta give the computers away for free. Privacy should be the default and turn on what you want, not the other way around.

Jan 28, 2020 - 10:45:49 AM
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475 posts since 8/14/2018

My next PC will likely be Linux only. I already do most of my work on a Linux laptop, expect to have everything moved over this year, probably build a new desktop.

Jan 28, 2020 - 10:49:50 AM

1019 posts since 8/7/2017

Dave, not wanting to tell you what you already know: The little gear icon "settings" may have the keys to solving your problems (find gear by clicking lower left windows button):

gear=> System, Personalization, Privacy catagories

Privacy/speech ( I set mine Off, I don't experience Cortana crap, maybe this is the one that did that.); there are microphone and voice activation settings under Privacy, also.

I liked Win7 best, sigh. Lost a lot of games when Win10 was forcefed to my computer, blast it.

Hope this helps.

Jan 28, 2020 - 11:47:48 AM

Wyozark

USA

938 posts since 12/2/2012

Until last week I had planned to make do with my ten year old HP computer and Win 7. But then started having 2nd thoughts. Don't want to lose years of info by either crash or age or lack of support or whatever. So I asked my son to find some sort of "deal." He did. Took hours to load Win 10. And hours more to change over essential files. Not all yet done. Was somewhat familiar with Win 10 because it's on a laptop.

I love traditional minesweeper. Haven't found it easy to get on this machine in format I like.

I surely understand the complaints about it. And the privacy thing. There's been some things that are obscure that we've discussed and will suddenly come up in searches. We got an Alexa for Christmas. I'm sure she's been watching/listening. . . . and I surmise that we are so boring that it has moved the artificial intelligence system to artificial tears. .. .

Jan 28, 2020 - 12:33:31 PM
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1161 posts since 7/12/2004

Windows 10 is Microsoft's successful effort to turn the OS into a revenue stream. I bought Windows 7 years ago and never had to pay a dime for it again. Windows 10 on my portable keeps shoving news articles and ads in my face, and it collects telemetry data about my usage that I'm sure they sell to advertisers. Windows 7 added telemetry a few years ago, but you could always select not to install those updates. They're baked into Win10 and it's an effort to partially remove them. Microsoft saw the way Android became a cash cow for Google and decided to use that model for Windows. After all, they can rent you Microsoft Office but you kinda have to own the OS if your system is going to boot reliably.

I switched over to Ubuntu Linux a couple of years ago and I'm mostly happy. It comes with an Office suite which maintains the old menu UI that Microsoft abandoned after Office 2003 in favor of the clunky ribbon interface, there's no cost to it unless you want to donate to the developers (highly recommended), and it is well-maintained. As far as specialized software that doesn't come in a Linux version, the Windows emulator Wine can run a great deal of it. Quicken, Tabledit, my HTML editor all run fine, although in some cases (Quicken) it's good to use older versions, and there are still a few features that need fixing (Tabledit doesn't play audio, although it works fine for tab writing). The user interface is all business, no flashing boxes enticing you to read articles (for which Microsoft gets a cut of the ad revenue) or install Candy Crush (ditto).

For software that absolutely needs Windows, I run a copy of Windows 10 in a VM using Oracle VirtualBox (also free). That allows me to run Windows Movie Maker and to run Tabledit if I absolutely need it to produce sound. My computer has a Windows 7 boot partition but the only thing I've used it for in months is allowing my grandson to play Roblox.

The most telling thing about Windows 10 is that you can still get it for free. The VM copy I have isn't registered, and it has run and received all updates for the past year. The only hint is an almost-transparent "this product is unregistered" in small type in the corner of the desktop, which disappears as soon as you run an application. You can download the installer .iso file from Microsoft's web site, no payment or registration required. There are also articles published weekly about how Microsoft will still allow registered upgrades from Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 at no cost, even though Microsoft doesn't make a big deal about it anymore.

There's an old saying in the business that if you don't have to pay for the product, then you are the product. That's Microsoft's approach with Windows 10, and I'm guessing that they will go all in on monetizing their users now that they have killed off WIndows 10's main competition.

Jan 28, 2020 - 12:33:46 PM

Mooooo

USA

7451 posts since 8/20/2016
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I hate everything until I get used to it. Except brunettes.

Jan 28, 2020 - 1:21:59 PM

2488 posts since 9/12/2016

Got mine on a new laptop , about a week ago. I had to dig into the settings .First hurdle was getting rid of the required password. After I got every thing set it really is not that different imo. Micro soft sends it to you in really snoopy let me assist you settings.I switched that all off. Now it is pretty much back to normal,but I have not got to put this bigger ram thru a ''try out'' on some complex video rendering.The files are pretty much the same names and places. No Sherry don't suggest they change again.Windows 7 was fine enough for sure but it is gone. The little white lie was they updated a bunch after they claimed their support was over

Edited by - Tractor1 on 01/28/2020 13:23:11

Jan 28, 2020 - 2:17:37 PM

1529 posts since 2/10/2013

Yesterday my Windows 10 desktop display went "bonkers". The "Geek Squad" found the problem. Microsoft had added a feature I was not aware of. After the "Geek Squad" gave me the information, I checked it out. According to Microsoft, my taskbar should be displaying an option you can use to control this new option. There is such option on my taskbar. In fact, I don't even know what activated the damn thing. Microsoft has loaded the system up with all kinds of stuff that I don't want and to have to research and deactivate. If wish Microsoft would provide an interactive dialogue that identified what features a computer owner uses, and then removes all the unnecessary material from my computer. I also wish applications would provide a "disable hot keys" option.

I am now using my last Microsoft operating system. If and when I get another, it will probably be an Apple. I don't like something starting up on my computer unless I initiated it. No more surprises and problems.

Jan 28, 2020 - 2:29:42 PM
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14565 posts since 12/2/2005

Yes, you can turn off Cortana. Just google it.

Windows 10 does take a bit of getting used to if you've been using 7 or XP. Once you do get used to it, it's easy. I like it. It's proven far more stable than any of its predecessors.

Jan 28, 2020 - 2:47:28 PM

tohorse

USA

63 posts since 1/31/2014

I just hated 10 when I got it but it came with the new computer, after I learned to set the start page to where I like it I learned to like 10 and it works great now and when I go back to the old computer I can't remember how exactly I liked it but thats just me. don't dump it, after a while you won't be able to use the old one

Jan 28, 2020 - 8:57:25 PM

bubbalouie

Canada

13294 posts since 9/27/2007

My guy switched me over to 10 on a new laptop he's got it set up just like Windows 7.

Jan 28, 2020 - 9:25:40 PM

1138 posts since 11/17/2018

There is a free program called Open Shell that allows you to customize Windows 10 to look and act like Windows 7.

majorgeeks.com/files/details/c...tart.html

Jan 29, 2020 - 6:06:07 AM
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heavy5

USA

1081 posts since 11/3/2016

quote:
Originally posted by BrooksMT

Dave, not wanting to tell you what you already know: The little gear icon "settings" may have the keys to solving your problems (find gear by clicking lower left windows button):

gear=> System, Personalization, Privacy catagories

Privacy/speech ( I set mine Off, I don't experience Cortana crap, maybe this is the one that did that.); there are microphone and voice activation settings under Privacy, also.


I liked Win7 best, sigh. Lost a lot of games when Win10 was forcefed to my computer, blast it.

Hope this helps.


Yes , windows 7 was much more geezer friendly than 10

As newer windows are implanted , the more they try to get INTO YOUR BRAIN rather than assisting it .  

Jan 29, 2020 - 7:05:30 AM
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DC5

USA

9295 posts since 6/30/2015

quote:
Originally posted by BrooksMT

Dave, not wanting to tell you what you already know: The little gear icon "settings" may have the keys to solving your problems (find gear by clicking lower left windows button):

gear=> System, Personalization, Privacy catagories

Privacy/speech ( I set mine Off, I don't experience Cortana crap, maybe this is the one that did that.); there are microphone and voice activation settings under Privacy, also.

I liked Win7 best, sigh. Lost a lot of games when Win10 was forcefed to my computer, blast it.

Hope this helps.


Thanks Brooks, that helps a lot.

Jan 29, 2020 - 8:10:48 PM

1161 posts since 7/12/2004

Regarding Minesweeper - If you have an old computer running XP or 7 or an older version of Windows, you should be able to find your own copy of Minesweeper as \windows\system32\winmine.exe. Copy that file to your Windows 10 computer and it should run when you double click it. Traditional Minesweeper, no ads, tracking or other modern corporate malware.

I have no idea where Minesweeper stores your high scores. They're probably in the registry somewhere, so you could pick them up or embellish them if you feel brave with regedit. Probably best just to create a new history, though.

Other traditional Windows games can be found in the same directory:
Solitaire: sol.exe
Hearts: mshearts.exe
Spider solitaire: spider.exe
FreeCell: freecell.exe

I've only tested Minesweeper and Solitaire, but all of these games date back to pre-Registry versions of Windows, so they should run just fine. Mine runs both games in Windows 10 and in the Wine emulator in Linux.

It's a telling sign of the way that every company monetizes everything they can. Microsoft now makes all these games available in Windows 10 from the Windows Store, with ads to interrupt the game. I guess they're entitled to make money from the games they created, but I'd rather pay cash for the OS up front than pay with my time every time I have to sit through an ad, forever. Have fun, but don't forget to pay the t(r)oll.

Enjoy the games. But don't let them distract from your banjo playing.

Jan 29, 2020 - 11:04:56 PM
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1981 posts since 1/16/2010

We still use a computer system here at work called the emulator...and it is based off MS-DOS!

Jan 29, 2020 - 11:47:01 PM

1138 posts since 11/17/2018

quote:
Originally posted by waystation

Regarding Minesweeper - If you have an old computer running XP or 7 or an older version of Windows, you should be able to find your own copy of Minesweeper as \windows\system32\winmine.exe.


You can get the complete set of Windows 7 games for Windows 10 at winaero.com

https://winaero.com/blog/get-windows-7-games-for-windows-10/

Been using them for several years, and no issues.

Jan 30, 2020 - 3:52:18 AM
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I don't know why everyone is freaking out over Windows 7 updates stopping and updating immediately to 10. I'm still using 7 on several machines (including this one) and will continue to use it. I also can't figure out why people think they have to pay for antivirus. Windows Defender built into 10 is plenty good and Microsoft Security Essentials in Windows 7 has never failed me. The threats are greatly reduced if you actually think about what you click instead of just clicking anything, and avoid certain types of websites altogether - especially porn and church websites! I go to neither and guess what? No viruses.

"In its latest annual Internet security threat report, Symantec, the maker of Norton AntiVirus software, found that “religious and ideological sites” have far surpassed pornographic websites as targets for criminal hackers. According to the company you’re now three times as likely to encounter malware—insidious software that can steal your data, pelt you with spam, or enslave your machine in a botnet—on your local church blog as you are on a porn site."

I still have XP as the only OS on two of my machines and XP loaded as a dual-boot with 7 on two others of eight computers I currently have. One of the other Windows 7 machines is dual-booted with Linux in case I have to extract files from someone's bad hard drive that is being stubborn. Guess what, I've been using these old XP machines without fail for many years now and haven't suffered an attack yet. With SSD hard drives and 10-year old Xeon E5450 CPU's pin-modded into 10-year old motherboards, these old XP boxes will outrun your shiny new Windows 10 PC's because there's not a bunch of extra crap running in the background. Granted, the PC driving my CNC router generally only gets on the internet to download any software I need for CAD file conversion and streaming Youtube music while I'm not running the router, but still - no problems in many years. I have accessed my bank and paypal accounts many times on these old XP boxes with no ill effects. I don't even run real-time malware software. Many of them are a scam unto themselves. I scan occasionally with Ccleaner and Glary Utilities (both free) but never use Malwarebytes etc. I mostly use Opera for a browser (adblocker built in) but still use Chrome with Adguard Adblocker (free) enabled to use Duolingo because Duolingo microphone capability is not enabled on Opera.

10 sucks. It installs slowly, tries to not let you create a local rather than internet-connected account, boots slower than 7, is more obtrusive, stinks for customization, and seems to purposely hide every setting that was easy to find in XP and 7. It really is a piece of crap and I don't say this because I don't know how to use it. I have to use it at my job every day and I've repaired quite a few computers for people who use it.

Expert tip - if you don't want to set up using an email account on Windows 10 and want to set up using a local account instead (like XP and 7), DON"T connect the internet during setup! That will allow you to create a local account. If you use wifi, skip the setup at first. If you use ethernet cable instead of wifi, don't even plug it in during setup. Then you can create a local account. They try to force you to tie your PC to an email address. It is yet another tool for privacy invasion.

From where I stand, the biggest reason they try to force people into newer OS's is that newer OS's provide more tools for the government and corporations to mine your data. Bugs for you are features for them.

Jan 30, 2020 - 7:22:30 AM

1161 posts since 7/12/2004

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From where I stand, the biggest reason they try to force people into newer OS's is that newer OS's provide more tools for the government and corporations to mine your data. Bugs for you are features for them.


I agree with you about most of what you said, but I beg to differ on a couple of points. It is possible to use Windows XP safely on the Internet, but only if you really know what you're doing. Windows 7 will be in the same position shortly, as the bad guys decompile Microsoft's Windows 10 patches and figure out which of the flaws they fix are also in Windows 7 and will remain unpatched.

Also, I don't think the telemetry added to products like Windows and Android is a government conspiracy to track us through our Internet use. The simplest answer is usually the right one, and the desire for profit-making companies to monetize anything they can, to add to their bottom line, is sufficient justification for them to add trackers and ads to their products. I don't doubt that the government hops on and takes advantage of the tracking data we're willingly handing over, but I believe it's corporate profit that's driving the bus.

Jan 30, 2020 - 8:11:53 AM

1529 posts since 2/10/2013

With a doubt commercial interests have infiltrated just about every aspect of the internet. It is as much an advertising platform as it is a media for information interchange. I see so much advertising I am becoming oblivious to its existence.

My computer keeps trying to tell me what I want and need, and I keep trying to get the computer just do what I tell it to do.

Jan 30, 2020 - 8:32:24 AM
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Originally posted by Richard Hauser

My computer keeps trying to tell me what I want and need, and I keep trying to get the computer just do what I tell it to do.


That's the difference between the current Internet and the old Internet, in a nutshell.

Windows 7 was great for doing what you told it to do. Windows 10 is a mass of distractions whose main goal is to get you to do things that are good for Microsoft.

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