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2th string and my monkey index, strange noise first string

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Jan 23, 2020 - 4:14:11 AM
295 posts since 2/26/2012

I think i have little problems with this string an my index.

1) When i picked the 2th string and then others in any roll and pick again the 2nd one, it is still vibrating, so it makes a noise when picking.

2) I found no a good way to wear the pick in my index, i do not find the correct angle, and that string not sound as loud as the others.

These are my picks


any advise will be appreciated.


 

Edited by - Aitor Eneko on 01/26/2020 06:33:55

Jan 23, 2020 - 4:49:23 AM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

23975 posts since 8/3/2003

Is it possible that when you hit the 2nd string you're scraping across it instead of hitting it clear and clean? That might make it continue to vibrate. How are your fingers situated when you pick a roll? I had a student whose index finger would fly up before she struck the string and it slowed her down and she also didn't get a clean, clear tone when striking the string.

To be able to really help you, we'd have to see you pick, but at least what's above might give you something to check out.

Jan 23, 2020 - 5:05:58 AM

295 posts since 2/26/2012

Ok, i am just starting, just a few days, sure there are many things bad here.

Do not know how to load it here, so i placed it in my dropbox, i hope it is allowed by BHO rules.

dropbox.com/s/qww7guu4xw6yel2/....mp4?dl=0

Jan 23, 2020 - 5:40:02 AM
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beegee

USA

21538 posts since 7/6/2005

The problem is in the set-up. Try placing a capo at the 2nd fret and see if the problem persists. That will quickly narrow it down to bridge, frets, or nut. The string action at the 12th fret should be around 7/64" The frets must be properly crowned and leveled. The neck should not be "dead-flat" but have a very small amount of bow(relief)in it. The bridge should not be noticeably depressing the head. The bridge and nut slots must be properly cut to prevent the string from vibrating in the slot.

Jan 23, 2020 - 6:06:46 AM
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474 posts since 9/21/2018

Angle your neck up more so you are attack the strings at a better angle. As far as how you wear your picks, there are differing opinions on the subject and it will come down to what works for you. Some like the end curved up around their finger more, some leave it out more straight. Find what works for you.

Is there anyone near you teaching banjo that you could sit down and do a formal lesson with? Or maybe find an instructor that does Skype lessons? That could help you refine your form as well.

Jan 23, 2020 - 6:15:19 AM
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295 posts since 2/26/2012

Thanks to Beegee and Moose.

I will change the bridge with a lower one. The action at 12 fret is a little higher.

I do not have any help here in my city, or complete island, i am complete alone with my banjo, there were only an english man who plays banjo 50 miles away and i do not know where to find him for years. Probably he does not live here anymore. I am with lesson one of Jim Pankey´s videos.

Edited by - Aitor Eneko on 01/23/2020 06:21:02

Jan 23, 2020 - 6:22:09 AM
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2049 posts since 5/2/2012

Two things I see: The neck of the banjo is almost parallel to the floor. Try angling raising it up (towards the ceiling). That will change the angle at which the pick hits the string. Second, your wrist is pretty flat, almost bowed. Try arching your wrist up, as that will help - at least it does for me.

The strings will continue to vibrate after you strike them, and if you don't get a clean strike the next time you will get that buzz. Another thing you could try is rotating the pick on your finger (to the right), as that will change the angle of the pick strike. Or you could go to the trouble of bending your pick a bit to change the angle.

Jan 23, 2020 - 6:29:19 AM
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474 posts since 9/21/2018

There are a lot of instructors here that will do lessons via skype or the like. If you aren't able to work through this on your own it may be worth the investment to schedule one or two. I've used Jim Pankey's videos myself, and they are fantastic. I also sit down with an instructor on occasion, nothing regular, but it has helped clean some things up. Good luck to you, stick with it.

Jan 23, 2020 - 1:26:16 PM
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2049 posts since 5/2/2012

Took a look at the video again. Don't know if this is what Sherry is talking about, but your index finger gets about an inch away from the string before it comes back to the string to strike it. Lots of wasted motion there.  Look at how much closer your middle finger stays to the first string. 

Edited by - thisoldman on 01/23/2020 13:28:10

Jan 23, 2020 - 1:42:46 PM
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295 posts since 2/26/2012

Thanks to everybody. I changed a little bit the action, and i will try to improve hand an index position.

 

Thanks Again

Edited by - Aitor Eneko on 01/23/2020 13:43:16

Jan 24, 2020 - 4:58:13 AM

474 posts since 9/21/2018

quote:
Originally posted by thisoldman

Took a look at the video again. Don't know if this is what Sherry is talking about, but your index finger gets about an inch away from the string before it comes back to the string to strike it. Lots of wasted motion there.  Look at how much closer your middle finger stays to the first string. 


I can't remember which episode but that was discussed in a Picky Fingers podcast at least once. Being very intentional with it early on will help develop good muscle memory for the future. 

Jan 24, 2020 - 7:06:54 AM
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295 posts since 2/26/2012

Hello, yesterday night I disassemble all the banjo!!

Pot, neck, tailpiece.

I found many things wrong. I think that the first owner did not know what he was doing and loose couple of small parts.

Remember that I bought this banjo for few a dollars due to the broken neck.

The system they used for this cheap Asian made banjo to join the neck to the pot and the rod is crap. There is a screw in the heel that maintains all the system. It will be very long an difficult for me to explain what I did in nearly 2 hours with the banjo. I found some parts missing on the tailpiece system.

So now with the set up, new strings it sounds completely different, is amaizing the sound that it have now. Very long sustain and very loud.

I will try to load a video in a few days. I am practicing arching my hand and the index.

In a few days as I said I will ask for my picking and the “new” sound of my banjo.

Thanks again to everyone

Edited by - Aitor Eneko on 01/24/2020 07:09:08

Jan 26, 2020 - 6:35:48 AM

295 posts since 2/26/2012

After doing the set up, except the truss rod, just waiting for the proper allen key. I found a noise that i think it was not there before.

I hope you can hear it, is a metallic sound just after the note, the string is correctly tuned at D. Action is ok and bridge in correct position.

Too much tension on tailpiece?

dropbox.com/s/cveho5jvogixsgc/....mp4?dl=0

(working also on the right hand arching and index finger)

Edited by - Aitor Eneko on 01/26/2020 06:39:20

Jan 29, 2020 - 12:22:48 PM

2049 posts since 5/2/2012

Moose_Roberts I looked at the Picky Fingers Banjo Podcast channel on Youtube and found the one on "Right Hand Bootcamp". Is that the one you were thinking of?

Jan 29, 2020 - 12:39:14 PM

474 posts since 9/21/2018

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Originally posted by thisoldman

Moose_Roberts I looked at the Picky Fingers Banjo Podcast channel on Youtube and found the one on "Right Hand Bootcamp". Is that the one you were thinking of?


He may have mentioned it there. It was noted by one of his guests at some point as something they focused on and has their students focus on it increase speed and precision when picking. 

It all comes down to intentional practice. 

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