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Page patent E 1710802 tuner buttons. Clifford Essex Regal.

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Dec 11, 2019 - 2:37:22 AM
1264 posts since 4/25/2007

I have a Clifford Essex Regal here. Fitted with Page E Tuners. The buttons are in poor shape. I appreciate original replacements are probably difficult to locate. Suggestions on alternative replacement options, other than changing complete tuners.

Dec 11, 2019 - 7:30:37 AM
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Post a picture of the knobs you need. Though I have had Page E tuners in the past, I really don't remember their exact dimensions.

Bob Smakula

Dec 12, 2019 - 12:48:50 AM

1264 posts since 4/25/2007

quote:
Originally posted by Bob Smakula

Post a picture of the knobs you need. Though I have had Page E tuners in the past, I really don't remember their exact dimensions.

Bob Smakula


Thanks Bob I'll post a picture later.

Dec 14, 2019 - 3:14:23 AM

1264 posts since 4/25/2007

quote:
Originally posted by Bob Smakula

Post a picture of the knobs you need. Though I have had Page E tuners in the past, I really don't remember their exact dimensions.

Bob Smakula


Here they are Bob. My friend is keen to keep it original. 




Dec 14, 2019 - 11:17:57 AM

banjonz

New Zealand

10825 posts since 6/29/2003

Earlier this year a worked on a CE tenor with Paige tuners. They were awful. They wouldn't hold the tension of the strings. I ended up replacing them with Gotohs I obtained from Bob Smakula. I am also one for trying to keep things original but the Paige's just wouldn't work.

Dec 14, 2019 - 11:48:12 AM

7486 posts since 1/7/2005

The old celluloid knobs are in the process of deterioration, as old celluloid tends to do.

The nasty thing about decaying celluloid is that it tends to out-gass badly, which can cause any nearby ferrous metal parts to corrode. So even storing them separately from the banjo needs to be done carefully.

Outgassing celluloid handles are the bane of vintage knife collectors, and are generally kept away from the rest of their collections. Your friend may want to remove the buttons from the tuners and keep them separately

Of course there are plenty of examples of vintage guitars and banjos with old celluloid binding and buttons that is still in fine shape. Maybe it is protected by having a coat of varnish or lacquer over the plastic. Or maybe it's made from a better quality of celluloid. I don't know. Modern celluloids are generally not a problem.

DD

Edited by - Dan Drabek on 12/14/2019 11:51:15

Dec 14, 2019 - 1:28:19 PM

1012 posts since 6/20/2014

Outgassing celluloid will affect nickel, as well.

Charlie Noyes

Dec 15, 2019 - 6:31:40 AM

1264 posts since 4/25/2007

Thanks everyone. Personally i would just change the buttons. I will wait on Bob and see if he has a couple of spare originals.

Fitting modern tuners would mean enlarging peghead holes which is a big NO for some collectors.

I may try altering and fitting a modern button and see what he thinks.

Dec 15, 2019 - 4:31:16 PM

DSmoke

USA

785 posts since 11/30/2015
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I thought I had some tuner buttons laying around that would work for you, but I must have sold them already. I do have these if you are interested.


 

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