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High, medium or low crown height for a 2000 Gibson ESS?

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Nov 14, 2019 - 11:07 PM

SBPARK

USA

330 posts since 2/25/2011

Replacing the head on a 2000 Gibson ESS, just need to know which crown height would have come on the banjo originally?

Edited by - SBPARK on 11/14/2019 23:07:49

Nov 14, 2019 - 11:20:18 PM
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Emiel

Austria

9269 posts since 1/22/2003

Original should be high crown. Medium crown will also work nicely, lets the tension hoop sit a bit higher. Should you plan on using a Renaissance head, use a medium crown in any case, as they stretch a lot (to almost high crown). Don't use low crown.

Nov 15, 2019 - 5:38:49 AM

SBPARK

USA

330 posts since 2/25/2011

quote:
Originally posted by Emiel

Original should be high crown. Medium crown will also work nicely, lets the tension hoop sit a bit higher. Should you plan on using a Renaissance head, use a medium crown in any case, as they stretch a lot (to almost high crown). Don't use low crown.


Just going to use a Remo Weatherking.

Nov 15, 2019 - 5:58:23 AM
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2261 posts since 1/16/2013

I'd use a medium crown Remo. I like the tension hoop a tad higher on the tone ring.

Nov 15, 2019 - 7:32:53 AM
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12355 posts since 10/30/2008

Medium crown was the only crown, decades ago (in the 1960s for instance). It should work for any standard type banjo.

With a medium crown, the tension ring sits up higher, protruding well above the surface of the head/tone ring. With a high crown, the tension ring pulls down further over the tone ring and doesn't stick up above the head surface as much.

Low crown is for arch tops.

Nov 15, 2019 - 9:21:13 AM

205 posts since 7/28/2019

Medium crown and a .656 bridge works best for mine. Steve Davis made a couple of great bridges for me. Crowe spacing also. 

Edited by - kmwaterstx on 11/15/2019 09:22:14

Nov 15, 2019 - 9:30:21 AM

SBPARK

USA

330 posts since 2/25/2011

Is there any way to tell is this is a low, medium or high crown head from these pictures?



<a href="https://imgur.com/g2Ea8o3"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/g2Ea8o3.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>

Edited by - SBPARK on 11/15/2019 09:43:47

Nov 15, 2019 - 9:46:02 AM

SBPARK

USA

330 posts since 2/25/2011

quote:
Originally posted by SBPARK

Is there any way to tell is this is a low, medium or high crown head from these pictures?






Nov 15, 2019 - 10:11:47 AM

2261 posts since 1/16/2013

That looks like either a very loose medium crown or high crown to me.

Nov 15, 2019 - 10:41:55 AM

SBPARK

USA

330 posts since 2/25/2011

It’s not loose. Measures 89 all around with a Drum Dial.

Nov 15, 2019 - 2:17:57 PM

Emiel

Austria

9269 posts since 1/22/2003

The tension hoop sits kind of high, which I like. So most likely it's not a high crown head. I would guess medium crown.

Nov 15, 2019 - 2:27:45 PM
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10475 posts since 10/27/2006

You can use a hair drier or heat gun to get the stretcher to sit lower.

1. Warm the head evenly till it starts to feel loose.

2. Turn the nuts till the stretcher sits almost as low as you want. Re-warm if you have to.

3. Let it cool completely.

4. Tension it as you like.

Wyatt Fawley posted this tip years ago and I've used it a couple times. He claimed to be able to get a low crown Fibreskyn head to sit wherever he wanted. I'm not that brave.

Nov 15, 2019 - 2:36:29 PM

70409 posts since 5/9/2007

I use only medium crown heads for all applications.
HJigh crown heads make the top of the hoop too low at G# and tighter head notes.
Too much hoop reveal with low crowns.

That hoop height looks good.My medium Remo runs around 1/8" reveal with a G# head.

Edited by - steve davis on 11/15/2019 14:40:36

Nov 15, 2019 - 3:22:17 PM

Emiel

Austria

9269 posts since 1/22/2003

quote:
Originally posted by SBPARK

Replacing the head on a 2000 Gibson ESS, just need to know which crown height would have come on the banjo originally?


Why are you replacing it?

Nov 15, 2019 - 4:11:33 PM
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SBPARK

USA

330 posts since 2/25/2011

quote:
Originally posted by Emiel
quote:
Originally posted by SBPARK

Replacing the head on a 2000 Gibson ESS, just need to know which crown height would have come on the banjo originally?


Why are you replacing it?


Hard to tell in the photos, but it has some of the coating wrn off in a few parts and has these concentric circle swirls on the head when you look at it at certain angles, like a drum dial was dragged around it or something. It's a gorgeous, "new-to-me" banjo and I just want to give it a fresh start and look good. 

Nov 15, 2019 - 11:27:12 PM

Emiel

Austria

9269 posts since 1/22/2003

quote:
Originally posted by SBPARK
quote:
Originally posted by Emiel
quote:
Originally posted by SBPARK

Replacing the head on a 2000 Gibson ESS, just need to know which crown height would have come on the banjo originally?


Why are you replacing it?


Hard to tell in the photos, but it has some of the coating wrn off in a few parts and has these concentric circle swirls on the head when you look at it at certain angles, like a drum dial was dragged around it or something. It's a gorgeous, "new-to-me" banjo and I just want to give it a fresh start and look good. 


I see. Many people however like a worn look of the head, but not everybody does. Earl always seemed to have a new-looking clean head on his banjo…

Nov 16, 2019 - 5:16:40 AM

SBPARK

USA

330 posts since 2/25/2011

quote:
Originally posted by Emiel
quote:
Originally posted by SBPARK
quote:
Originally posted by Emiel
quote:
Originally posted by SBPARK

Replacing the head on a 2000 Gibson ESS, just need to know which crown height would have come on the banjo originally?


Why are you replacing it?


Hard to tell in the photos, but it has some of the coating wrn off in a few parts and has these concentric circle swirls on the head when you look at it at certain angles, like a drum dial was dragged around it or something. It's a gorgeous, "new-to-me" banjo and I just want to give it a fresh start and look good. 


I see. Many people however like a worn look of the head, but not everybody does. Earl always seemed to have a new-looking clean head on his banjo…


I'll be honest, and it's just me being superficial...a worn in head really doesn't bother me actually. It's the noticeable (to me) ring that goes around the head, like a concentric circle that just seems to match up perfectly where you'd place a Drum Dial when measuring the head tension. Banjo came that way along with the bridge installed backwards.
 

Figured I'd just start over and play the heck out of the banjo and earn that worn in look myself. 

Nov 16, 2019 - 5:35:33 AM

SBPARK

USA

330 posts since 2/25/2011

quote:
Originally posted by SBPARK
quote:
Originally posted by Emiel
quote:
Originally posted by SBPARK
quote:
Originally posted by Emiel
quote:
Originally posted by SBPARK

Replacing the head on a 2000 Gibson ESS, just need to know which crown height would have come on the banjo originally?


Why are you replacing it?


Hard to tell in the photos, but it has some of the coating wrn off in a few parts and has these concentric circle swirls on the head when you look at it at certain angles, like a drum dial was dragged around it or something. It's a gorgeous, "new-to-me" banjo and I just want to give it a fresh start and look good. 


I see. Many people however like a worn look of the head, but not everybody does. Earl always seemed to have a new-looking clean head on his banjo…


I'll be honest, and it's just me being superficial...a worn in head really doesn't bother me actually. It's the noticeable (to me) ring that goes around the head, like a concentric circle that just seems to match up perfectly where you'd place a Drum Dial when measuring the head tension. Banjo came that way along with the bridge installed backwards.
 

Figured I'd just start over and play the heck out of the banjo and earn that worn in look myself. 

For the record, I did install a medium crown Remo Weatherking head and it fit the same as the previous head. Although they are both Weatherking heads they did seem different. The older head seemed to be a little more translucent/less/thinner frosting, while the new head seemed a bit thicker/heavier frosting. The old head I'm guessing was the original head (2000). 


Nov 16, 2019 - 5:45:29 AM
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Emiel

Austria

9269 posts since 1/22/2003

quote:
Originally posted by SBPARK
quote:
Originally posted by SBPARK
quote:
Originally posted by Emiel
quote:
Originally posted by SBPARK
quote:
Originally posted by Emiel
quote:
Originally posted by SBPARK

Replacing the head on a 2000 Gibson ESS, just need to know which crown height would have come on the banjo originally?


Why are you replacing it?


Hard to tell in the photos, but it has some of the coating wrn off in a few parts and has these concentric circle swirls on the head when you look at it at certain angles, like a drum dial was dragged around it or something. It's a gorgeous, "new-to-me" banjo and I just want to give it a fresh start and look good. 


I see. Many people however like a worn look of the head, but not everybody does. Earl always seemed to have a new-looking clean head on his banjo…


I'll be honest, and it's just me being superficial...a worn in head really doesn't bother me actually. It's the noticeable (to me) ring that goes around the head, like a concentric circle that just seems to match up perfectly where you'd place a Drum Dial when measuring the head tension. Banjo came that way along with the bridge installed backwards.
 

Figured I'd just start over and play the heck out of the banjo and earn that worn in look myself. 

For the record, I did install a medium crown Remo Weatherking head and it fit the same as the previous head. Although they are both Weatherking heads they did seem different. The older head seemed to be a little more translucent/less/thinner frosting, while the new head seemed a bit thicker/heavier frosting. The old head I'm guessing was the original head (2000). 


 


Yes, the newest generation Remo heads have a very dense and durable frosting.

About the rings: they would bother me too. Maybe the head has been on an archtop banjo at some point. The leave their mark.

Nov 16, 2019 - 6:02:30 AM

SBPARK

USA

330 posts since 2/25/2011

quote:
Originally posted by Emiel
quote:
Originally posted by SBPARK
quote:
Originally posted by SBPARK
quote:
Originally posted by Emiel
quote:
Originally posted by SBPARK
quote:
Originally posted by Emiel
quote:
Originally posted by SBPARK

Replacing the head on a 2000 Gibson ESS, just need to know which crown height would have come on the banjo originally?


Why are you replacing it?


Hard to tell in the photos, but it has some of the coating wrn off in a few parts and has these concentric circle swirls on the head when you look at it at certain angles, like a drum dial was dragged around it or something. It's a gorgeous, "new-to-me" banjo and I just want to give it a fresh start and look good. 


I see. Many people however like a worn look of the head, but not everybody does. Earl always seemed to have a new-looking clean head on his banjo…


I'll be honest, and it's just me being superficial...a worn in head really doesn't bother me actually. It's the noticeable (to me) ring that goes around the head, like a concentric circle that just seems to match up perfectly where you'd place a Drum Dial when measuring the head tension. Banjo came that way along with the bridge installed backwards.
 

Figured I'd just start over and play the heck out of the banjo and earn that worn in look myself. 

For the record, I did install a medium crown Remo Weatherking head and it fit the same as the previous head. Although they are both Weatherking heads they did seem different. The older head seemed to be a little more translucent/less/thinner frosting, while the new head seemed a bit thicker/heavier frosting. The old head I'm guessing was the original head (2000). 


 


Yes, the newest generation Remo heads have a very dense and durable frosting.

About the rings: they would bother me too. Maybe the head has been on an archtop banjo at some point. The leave their mark.


Pretty sure it was never converted to an archtop. The rings are on the top, frosted side and are sort of erratic, but all a similar distance from the rim, not on the smooth , underside of the head where it would have been affected by the archtop. Similar to if a child was making circles with a crayon on paper. This is why I think it was from a DrumDial being dragged around the top instead of being picked up and placed around the head when measuring.

Also, the banjo is all original. Bought it from an older woman who bought it new back in 2000 and apparently never played it much after purchase. Everything on it is original aside from the Snuffy Smith bridge it had on it, and the original tone ring as well that has the Gibson USA logo. Heck, even the case is in like-new condition and still has the red pull-tab going through the combination lock and the combo was never set. 

Edited by - SBPARK on 11/16/2019 06:06:40

Nov 16, 2019 - 6:02:59 AM

70409 posts since 5/9/2007

I agree with Emiel.That "previously archie" ring is ugly on a flathead.

Nov 16, 2019 - 6:07:09 AM

SBPARK

USA

330 posts since 2/25/2011



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