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1963/66 Gibson Epiphone EB-88 - Parting Out (SOLD!)

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Oct 22, 2019 - 7:28:12 AM
1809 posts since 10/17/2013

See link to ad below:

https://www.banjohangout.org/classified/77948

Edited by - bluegrassbanjopicker on 10/31/2019 13:37:31

Oct 22, 2019 - 8:17:44 AM

1809 posts since 10/17/2013

Price reduced to $650.

Oct 22, 2019 - 12:08:15 PM

1809 posts since 10/17/2013

Price reduced to $500 obo. 

Oct 22, 2019 - 7:18:19 PM

1809 posts since 10/17/2013

Trade pending.

Oct 23, 2019 - 5:41:23 AM

1809 posts since 10/17/2013

Still available for purchase. Decided not to trade at this point.

Oct 23, 2019 - 8:00:58 AM

1809 posts since 10/17/2013

Price reduced to $480 obo.

Oct 23, 2019 - 12:04:46 PM

1809 posts since 10/17/2013

Now $450 obo. 

Oct 23, 2019 - 2:04:49 PM

1809 posts since 10/17/2013

$425 obo. This is a ridiculously good deal for any professional banjo, used or not. I honestly think it’s too low, but I want to sell the banjo quickly.

Don’t hesitate to send me a PM!

I will include my CD collection - also in the Classifieds - for an additional $15, to the first offer that comes up. Can’t beat a package deal like that! 

Edited by - bluegrassbanjopicker on 10/23/2019 14:13:07

Oct 23, 2019 - 7:05:59 PM

1809 posts since 10/17/2013

I’m choosing not to play the “mark your item down till someone decides they’re going to buy it” game, which game Craigslist buyers just love to play, until you “give” them the merchandise just to get them to stop going lower into ludicrousness.

I think I speak for a lot of persons here, when I say that it is plain hard to sell things today, unless you have an outstanding customer base or are an established business in that particular respect. I’m pretty sure Jim Britton sells more banjos here, faster than anyone here sells anything else, because  he is in the perfect position to do so. I am not. I have never been and probably never will have as much access to as many instruments as him. If anyone here can list one individual who is more successful in Classifieds than Jim...but I don’t think there is. The Classifieds system has changed in character since the website overhaul, perhaps more than anyone currently realizes. 

It’s not right for me to take a loss on this banjo, and I’d be foolish to sell it at $425 when the neck alone is worth at least that much, notwithstanding that the tone ring is special in that it was the setup ring for Sullivan/First Quality Music tone rings, for many years, and I decided to buy it; it’s a superb ring, outclassed only by the Blaylock which I used in my former Kalamazoo conversion.

Lest anyone believe I am “way too upset,” I know too well that anything close to that would probably result in my account being locked or revoked. I know better than to do that; I’m not truly angry, I’m trying to make a point. 

Price for the banjo is $600 obo with the CD collection for an additional $15; price for both $615 obo with free shipping as always! 

Edited by - bluegrassbanjopicker on 10/23/2019 19:22:08

Oct 23, 2019 - 8:50:59 PM

HarleyQ

USA

3027 posts since 1/31/2005

I'v seen some of Jim's ads up around 100 days old!   ............"Patience", I believe is the Key!!

Oct 24, 2019 - 5:37:47 AM

1809 posts since 10/17/2013

I’m sorry about my rant.

You’re probably right; not everyone just out and buys a banjo every day, unless they’re interested in one but don’t own one. I shouldn’t accuse Jim of being more successful than anyone else.

Oct 26, 2019 - 1:33:13 PM
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RB100

USA

1227 posts since 12/11/2004

Agree with Harley above. Patience is the key here...parts, i.e. ring, resonator, neck, tuners, etc. are easily worth your original asking price, IMO.

Oct 26, 2019 - 1:51:23 PM

1809 posts since 10/17/2013

It seems to me that the Classifieds are “getting ready for the Christmas season” by the number of instruments added in the past few days.

Oct 26, 2019 - 2:31:41 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by bluegrassbanjopicker

It seems to me that the Classifieds are “getting ready for the Christmas season” by the number of instruments added in the past few days.


The condition, and repair hacks done to this banjo would be a deal killer for many.

No returns would be another.

Edited by - OldNavyGuy on 10/26/2019 14:32:32

Oct 26, 2019 - 4:07:30 PM

1809 posts since 10/17/2013

quote:
Originally posted by OldNavyGuy
quote:
Originally posted by bluegrassbanjopicker

It seems to me that the Classifieds are “getting ready for the Christmas season” by the number of instruments added in the past few days.


The condition, and repair hacks done to this banjo would be a deal killer for many.

No returns would be another.


Hey Jim (and everyone),

For what it’s worth, I don’t expect to get near the asking price for the banjo, which is why I put a 40% discount on it. I agree that the way the repairs were done, and the way they make the banjo look, decrease the value of the banjo, and most definitely make it a deal killer. I have no way to tell exactly where this banjo has been over its lifetime (prior to my owning it.) I think it was worth more with the previous pot assembly.

I’m not sure at what point the Epiphone neck came into play, but it’s safe to assume that it has not been an original Epiphone for quite a while. I’m fairly certain the neck came from an original Epiphone which BHO member “Sonhouse” owned at one point, and for whatever reason, the neck got separated from its original pot. 

If I wanted to get the most from this banjo, I would sell the neck, resonator, flange/tension hoop, and tone ring. I know the banjo looks pretty despicable on the inside. I’d be happy to get $360 even, for the aforementioned parts (or the whole banjo), but that’s probably a pipe dream. It’s decidedly unfortunate that this is the current condition of the banjo. I hope there’s someone who can resurrect the neck from its present state. If anyone wants to put an offer out, I’d be glad to make a deal! 

I would rather own a “fine banjo you’ve got there” banjo, than a “you did what to it?!” banjo. I’ll admit right out that the repairs are sub-par and that I could have done better. I’ll also say that it was a big financial mistake when I first sold (and refunded the payment of) this banjo. I think the parting out of the banjo would be smarter than to sell it as complete, and then be accused of calling “junk” on the Hangout, as a banjo in “good condition. I would much rather part it out than have another “Adam McIntosh” experience.

 At this point, I think that parting out is the best option, and I have updated my ad to reflect this.

Edited by - bluegrassbanjopicker on 10/26/2019 16:24:34

Oct 26, 2019 - 5:09:15 PM

1809 posts since 10/17/2013

Perhaps the best thing to do is to keep the banjo and save everyone the nightmare of a bad banjo purchase. Or if there’s a rare person who wants the entire banjo for $600, that’s more than fine with me.

Even with all the “hacks” as you call them, $600 is not an unreasonable price. If I came across this banjo for the first time, I would be shocked if the seller sold it for less than the current discount price. Surely there’s at least one member here who can give me a realistic idea of what the selling price should be, instead of my “going all over the place” on the price.

 One problem is that US-made Epiphone five-strings were comprised of an extremely small part of the entire Gibson banjo line, and the only person I know of, that could give a good estimate is Ron Stewart. He’s played an Epiphone before: notwithstanding, that one would easily outperform mine.

The bottom line is that I do need to sell this banjo, but not so fast that I’d accept an offer less than $300.

Edited by - bluegrassbanjopicker on 10/26/2019 17:16:17

Oct 26, 2019 - 6:01:38 PM
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I guess I’ve made everyone tired of hearing about the banjo. Whoever buys it will get a good banjo, nothing more, nothing less, and that’s what counts. Hacks or not, repairs or not, it’s playable, and has been a nice instrument for the time I have had it.

Oct 27, 2019 - 12:44:44 PM
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You'd be better off parting it out.

If it's really a Crowe ring with a Gibson USA stamp, you can get $300 or more for that. Maybe even $400+.  The neck is probably worth upwards of $200 even with the repairs. A skilled DIY-er can clean up the finish.  The resonator is the same as 1960s Gibson RB100, so I'd think it's worth at least $200.

So in those three parts, you have more than your latest asking price.

If the "Crowe" ring is an un-stamped Sullivan SUL-1, it's worth no more than $150 used, since a new one costs only $200.

The flange and co-rods can get you a few bucks.

The rim is a worthless botch. 

Aren't you the one who put this together from parts after swapping out some original parts for others? If so, you're losing no value by taking it apart. 

Oct 27, 2019 - 12:56:04 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by bluegrassbanjopicker

One problem is that US-made Epiphone five-strings were comprised of an extremely small part of the entire Gibson banjo line, and the only person I know of, that could give a good estimate is Ron Stewart. He’s played an Epiphone before: notwithstanding, that one would easily outperform mine.


Many people know that the Epiphone EB-88 was the same banjo as the 1960s Gibson RB-100 upgraded with a Mastertone tone ring and unique inlays.  It was essentially an RB-250 with no binding on the fingerboard and resonator lip. Maybe different wood.

In good condition it should be worth somewhere between a 1960s RB100 and RB250. Maybe $1500 or more.

The one you're selling is too far removed from its original state to be worth even what an average RB100 would fetch. That's why you're better off parting it out.

Oct 27, 2019 - 1:49:39 PM

1809 posts since 10/17/2013

You’re 100 percent right, Ken.

I would have no problem selling the neck, resonator and flange/tension hoop assembly.

 The tone ring stays with me as would the rim. The ring was bought from Alex Colvin and was used to set up all the Gibson Crowe rings until a certain point, and to my knowledge has not been used in a banjo until Alex tried it and said it had “crazy good tone.” Not planning on selling the ring.

 I put the present pot assembly on, but had nothing whatsoever to do with the installation of the older, nicer assembly. 

I have never seen a photo of this banjo in its factory original state. There may have been a time when I could have traced all the parts more precisely, but that time has passed.

I am updating my ad as of right now. 

Edited by - bluegrassbanjopicker on 10/27/2019 13:52:31

Oct 27, 2019 - 2:08:39 PM

1809 posts since 10/17/2013

Updated my ad with decent prices for the parts. 

Oct 28, 2019 - 6:19:48 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by Old Hickory
...The rim is a worthless botch. 

Wow.

I agree with the rest, but...that is too much. The rim may be botched, but it certainly isn’t worthless.

If the rim is worthless, then why would I ever consider using it? Your definition of worthless in this case, must mean worthless as in a monetary aspect. 

I’d never use anything close to a truly “worthless” rim in any banjo. If the rim can stand up to the strain of the head clamped down tightly on a tone ring, it’s not worthless. A worthless rim could never stand up to that strain. I’ve done a lot of experimentation with different materials as banjo rims (name any material and I’ve probably tried it at least once!) 

I can see that it’s worthless to sell, because nobody would buy it based on its appearance, but it’s not worthless per se as a rim! 

I will be reducing the current prices on the parts I am selling, lest anyone think I am selling them higher than their current value. The rim is free to whoever wants it.

Edited by - bluegrassbanjopicker on 10/28/2019 06:31:59

Oct 28, 2019 - 6:41:14 AM

1809 posts since 10/17/2013

For the record, I want to say that this fuss over the rim has not caused me to be any less friends with Ken, or to lose any respect for him. I don’t believe I know more about Gibson than he does. I don’t have his years of experience to compensate. More often than not, it’s me who is wrong, and that’s all right. There’s more shame in refusing to admit the truth, than admitting it but being refused by the other. I don’t wish to be accused of the former.

Oct 28, 2019 - 7:45:26 AM

1809 posts since 10/17/2013

I’ve probably scared everyone away from buying any parts. 

I’ll entertain any reasonable offers I get.

I’m truly sorry for blowing this up bigger than it needs to be. I apologize for upsetting anyone who was offended by my posts. 

Oct 28, 2019 - 7:50:06 AM

10172 posts since 6/2/2008

quote:
Originally posted by bluegrassbanjopicker

I can see that it’s worthless to sell, because nobody would buy it based on its appearance, but it’s not worthless per se as a rim! 


That's what I meant.

I could be wrong.

Edited by - Old Hickory on 10/28/2019 07:51:25

Oct 28, 2019 - 8:15:31 AM
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I just removed the wood strips. It was easier removing them than I thought. The adhesive from the strips left some undesirable marks on the rim, which have undoubtedly decreased the value of the rim, prior to the strips being added. I wouldn’t expect more than $100 for the rim even after removing those strips.

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