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Oct 7, 2019 - 12:45:03 PM
2 posts since 10/7/2016

I've done more than a dozen pieces in bluegrass style but no Irish or Celtic music. Would LOVE to have some music for that. Does anyone teach it in the Houston greater area, specifically Fort Bend County?

Edited by - Bill Rogers on 10/07/2019 21:15:41

Oct 7, 2019 - 1:32:01 PM

csacwp

USA

2439 posts since 1/15/2014

quote:
Originally posted by oathkpr

I've done more than a dozen pieces in bluegrass style but no Irish or Celtic music. Would LOVE to have some music for that. Does anyone teach it in the Houston greater area, specifically Fort Bend County?


You might want to look into classic style banjo playing. Many thousands of Irish tunes were published for this style in the late 19th and early 20th century. I teach the style in the D.C. area... I don't know of anyone near Houston who does. 

Oct 7, 2019 - 1:34:57 PM

10214 posts since 6/2/2008

Welcome to the Hangout.

I'm not in Houston and I don't teach, but 4 of the tabs I've posted to the Hangout Tab Library are my original 5-string arrangements of Irish/Celtic tunes.

The Irish/Celtic tunes are Donnybrook Fair, Gallagher's Frolics, Out on the Ocean, and The Lilting Banshee.  They're posted as TablEdit (.TEF) and PDF files.

My approach to Irish tunes on 5-string banjo is to combine Scruggs, melodic and single string. Maybe more melodic than the other two, and single string only when I have no other way to get the notes I want.  I sometimes alter the melodies to keep the tune playable for myself.

I only indicate picking hand fingerings when I think a passage is tricky or unusual.  Otherwise, I think the fingering is either obvious or players will do what suits their styles.  If you download any of my tabs and have any questions, don't hesitate to ask.

Tony Trischka's Master Collection of Fiddle Tunes and Tom Hanway's several books are all good sources of Irish tunes in tab.  Also, "Fiddle/Celtic/Irish" is a search selection in the Tab Library here. 

Oct 7, 2019 - 4:25:01 PM

589 posts since 2/19/2012

@csacwp John, can you point me to some entry level classic style Irish tunes? When I got into Irish, I jumped to GDAE tenor banjo and mandolin. I tried clawhammer Irish and it just didn't seem to work for me. I hadn't thought about classic style as an option.

Oct 7, 2019 - 4:47:59 PM

1350 posts since 2/10/2013

Learning to play Irish tunes on the fiddle taught me a lot about playing Irish tunes. If I were to swap one of my banjos for a banjo I could use to play Irish music, and I wanted learn to play the tunes, I would look for an instructional that taught me how to get the dynamics right, and to play left hand (i.e. noting hand) ornamentation techniques. You have to learn to play reels, hornpipes, polkas, and 3 different types of jigs, and each type is played differently.

Oct 7, 2019 - 4:53:56 PM

589 posts since 2/19/2012

That's what pushed me toward the tenor and mandolin. It's been a lot of fun, by the way.

Oct 7, 2019 - 5:04:14 PM

Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

22529 posts since 6/25/2005

Get Tom Hanway’s books on Celtic-style 5-string. He’s got it down.  Check his Hangout music page to here his sound. 

Oct 7, 2019 - 6:06:23 PM

csacwp

USA

2439 posts since 1/15/2014

quote:
Originally posted by Parker135

@csacwp John, can you point me to some entry level classic style Irish tunes? When I got into Irish, I jumped to GDAE tenor banjo and mandolin. I tried clawhammer Irish and it just didn't seem to work for me. I hadn't thought about classic style as an option.


There are tons of books of them out there. A good starting place would be A. Baur's Banjoist's Budget. If you Google it you'll find it for free. There's also a PDF download of it available on the classic banjo ning site. Not every tune in it is explicitly Irish, but there are a bunch of Irish tunes in there. In  most of the American publications the names been changed,but I'm sure you'll recognize many of them. For example, in Converse's 1865 tutor "Bully for You" is just Leg of the Duck. 

Oct 7, 2019 - 6:58:18 PM

589 posts since 2/19/2012

Excellent. I'll have a look. I'm curious to see how they handle the different time signatures and such. First I probably need a little time learning some basics in classic style. I've done just a little three finger style in the past. Thanks John

Oct 7, 2019 - 8:12:27 PM

10214 posts since 6/2/2008

quote:
Originally posted by Bill Rogers

Get Tom Hanway’s books on Celtic-style 5-string. He’s got it down.  Check his Hangout music page to here his sound. 


The OP is asking about Celtic music on the 5-string. This is a Celtic forum, but for 4-string. Should the message be moved, perhaps to "Other Styles"? 

Oct 7, 2019 - 8:29:47 PM

589 posts since 2/19/2012

Now you've done it. Youre probably right...maybe this fits better in other old time styles.

Speaking of the OP, I hope we hear from him/her again.

Oct 7, 2019 - 9:14:38 PM
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Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

22529 posts since 6/25/2005

Ken’s point’s well taken. So it’s moved.

Oct 8, 2019 - 3:01:51 PM

2 posts since 10/7/2016

quote:
Originally posted by csacwp
quote:
Originally posted by oathkpr

I've done more than a dozen pieces in bluegrass style but no Irish or Celtic music. Would LOVE to have some music for that. Does anyone teach it in the Houston greater area, specifically Fort Bend County?


You might want to look into classic style banjo playing. Many thousands of Irish tunes were published for this style in the late 19th and early 20th century. I teach the style in the D.C. area... I don't know of anyone near Houston who does. 


Thanks!  I just ordered the Complete Book of Irish, Celtic Music on 5-string Banjo, hoping I can learn them that way!

Oct 8, 2019 - 10:05:54 PM

Paul R

Canada

11825 posts since 1/28/2010
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Also check out Ken Perlman's books Everything You Wanted to Know about Clawhammer Banjo and Celtic and New England Fiddle Tunes for Clawhammer Banjo. His CD, Island Boy, is CH versions of Cape Breton and Prince Edward Island fiddle tunes,

Oct 25, 2019 - 7:26:21 AM

1350 posts since 2/10/2013

I see Irish banjoists on Youtube. They are usually "flatpicking" the banjo. When discussing Celtic music on the banjo, it would help if the individual making the post specified which type if banjo and playing style they were using.

I have two 5 strings and might get rid of one and bet a tenor or plectrum banjo. Whichever is more appropriate for this music.

Oct 25, 2019 - 7:31:58 AM

7 posts since 9/29/2007

I have two 5string Banjos and one Irish Tenor. I would say the Tenor is more appropriate for Celtic music.
Penick

Oct 25, 2019 - 9:35:43 AM

2504 posts since 4/19/2008

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