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Sep 15, 2019 - 7:33:25 PM

donc

Canada

6009 posts since 2/9/2010

British Columbia had a vote and 93% have preferred to stay on Pacific daylight time. [On the world clock that would be Greenwich -9.] The government says its a done deal but they are now waiting on Washington and California who are waiting to do the same. For the U.S states they have to get approval from Congress which is suppose to happen in a few months. I don't know if they face any opposition or not at a federal level. I don't think its a bad idea but I don't like the idea of small children walking to school in the dark. On December 21st the sun rises at 9:05 a.m. in Vancouver if it is on daylight savings time. . Do any U.S. states now have daylight time all year long ?

Edited by - donc on 09/15/2019 20:04:30

Sep 15, 2019 - 7:48:52 PM
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Owen

Canada

4089 posts since 6/5/2011

Don, I don't see that it makes any diff whether it's to, or from school in the dark.... and latitude and the availability of artificial light are factors, also.   For me,  there is but one significant issue:  time for summer evening recreation... so year 'round DST it is!      YMMV.

P.S. Chuck.... any leads on suppliers of pemmican?... I've checked the surrounding reserves and nada, zilch.

Sep 15, 2019 - 8:01:21 PM

donc

Canada

6009 posts since 2/9/2010

Good point Owen. I've only known the early sunset method. Driving home when everyone is more fatigued may be a good time for more light. On standard time December 23 sunrise is at 8:05 and sunset is at 5:16.

Edited by - donc on 09/15/2019 20:01:55

Sep 15, 2019 - 8:07:24 PM

Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

22312 posts since 6/25/2005

As Owen notes, there are only so many daylight hours—however you slice it. When I was in elementary school in Oklahoma (1952-56), we started at 9 a.m. and finished at 4 p.m. No walking in the dark. Worked just fine. And being Oklahoma in the 50s, there were after-school inter-school sports too.

Sep 15, 2019 - 8:19:26 PM
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chuckv97

Canada

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Arizona doesn’t change to DST, they stay on standard, but at that latitude , attitudes are “it don’t matter”.

Edited by - chuckv97 on 09/15/2019 20:19:48

Sep 15, 2019 - 8:24:56 PM
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chuckv97

Canada

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quote:
Originally posted by Owen

Don, I don't see that it makes any diff whether it's to, or from school in the dark.... and latitude and the availability of artificial light are factors, also.   For me,  there is but one significant issue:  time for summer evening recreation... so year 'round DST it is!      YMMV.

P.S. Chuck.... any leads on suppliers of pemmican?... I've checked the surrounding reserves and nada, zilch.


Not sure if any Cree or Blackfoot are part of this outfit, but here - you can stock up for dugout vittles




Sep 15, 2019 - 8:39:49 PM

4189 posts since 8/3/2012

donc
--Do any U.S. states now have daylight time all year long ?

Two states in the US remain on standard time year-round. Hawaii and Arizona (except on Navajo tribal land).
None that I am aware of have year-round DST at this time.

Were it my choice, I would stay on standard time. With DST, the sun sets here around 8:30 in the summer.

Sep 16, 2019 - 12:00:38 AM
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Brian T

Canada

15674 posts since 6/5/2008

If we went to UTC-9 for the whole year, people would get used to it.
Just as we appear to tolerate the timing system we have now.

Parents will still be driving kids to and from school,
it's going to be dark at 53N where I live and the dang big cats never hibernate.

Lets us just set it and forget it and move on.

Sep 16, 2019 - 1:37:23 AM

Paul R

Canada

11637 posts since 1/28/2010

Don't like DST? Move to Saskatchewan. frown

Sep 16, 2019 - 3:44:07 AM
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OM45GE

USA

89158 posts since 11/7/2007

Here in New England they’re discussing moving to Atlantic time and not changing to and from DST. I’m in favor but doubt it will happen in my lifetime

Sep 16, 2019 - 4:05:59 AM
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17 posts since 9/23/2018

Changing the clock by one hour twice a year causes human brain systems shock and is very much like 'jet-lag'. To alleviate this problem I suggest that instead the clock should be changed in 15 minute increments every two weeks over an eight week period. This will greatly ease the anxiety caused by the massive one hour upheaval.

Sep 16, 2019 - 4:38:48 AM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

23287 posts since 8/3/2003

I have never liked DST, never saw a real good reason for it. Oh, yes, it's nice in the summertime to have more hours of sunlight but really, does an hour more of sunlight really make that much difference? I don't think so.

We managed for hundreds of years on central daylight time and had no problems with it. My opinion: we should go back to that and forget the spring forward, fall back stuff.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Sep 16, 2019 - 6:26:40 AM
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Lynne (Moderator)

USA

4951 posts since 3/3/2003

Not changing the clocks was the best part of moving to Arizona.
If you have animals they want to eat when the sun comes up, it doesn't matter
what time it is.

Sep 16, 2019 - 6:40:37 AM
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DC5

USA

7169 posts since 6/30/2015

Then again, we could go to universal time, GMT all over the world. In less than a generation everyone would get use to it. We no longer use sundials as the primary clock, so the concept of Noon is archaic.
Much like Bill Rogers , when I was a kid school started at 9, and for me got out at 3. After school activities would add an additional 45 minutes to an hour so there was no walking to or from school in the dark. The schools where I taught started at 7:20 and got out at 1:43. Lunch was around 10:00. Though it is denied everywhere, the primary reason for early school starts is two parents working, or single parent households. Kids need to get off to school before parents go to work, and most work days start around 8:00. Many studies have shown that this early start for school has a detrimental affect on learning and test scores, but very few school systems are willing to change it due to protests by parents, and companies like McDonald's that want minimum wage workers there as early as possible. Moving the clocks negatively affects this even more.

I think it was here a year or so ago that someone posted a Native American quote something like "Only a white man would think that removing a foot of material from the bottom of a blanket and sewing it onto the top would change the length of the blanket" There is no practical, nor business need to be changing clocks twice a year. There is some argument that year round DST would save energy (first proposed by Benjamin Franklin), but I doubt even that is very true, depending on latitude.

Edited by - DC5 on 09/16/2019 06:42:16

Sep 16, 2019 - 6:56:04 AM

raybob

USA

13393 posts since 12/11/2003

I seem to remember Michigan sending kids to school in the dark one year when I still lived there. I think they were trying things out in response to the first oil supply crisis we had in the ‘70’s. 55 mph limits were also instituted. Sending kids to school in the dark was stopped. They can be snatched in the dark and also involved in accidents.

Here in CA they’re talking about moving away from standard time in favor of savings time. We think it’s a mistake and would rather see standard time year round.

Sep 16, 2019 - 7:56:39 AM
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14300 posts since 12/2/2005

Personally, I'd be fine with moving to DST all year round. Being fairly far north, fairly near the eastern edge of the Eastern Time Zone, from about early November to about mid February we wake up in the dark and drive home in the dark. It would not break my heart if the afternoons, at least, had a bit of daylight to them.

This thread brings back memories of my days as a professional ski patroller... for about three weeks on either side of the winter solstice, our final trips down the mountain were often finished in near-total darkness - particularly if it was overcast or snowing. That might not sound like much fun to you, but I loved it. Now, as an older chap, I'd like a bit more daylight at that hour.

Sep 16, 2019 - 8:05:05 AM

2608 posts since 7/28/2015

quote:
Originally posted by OldBlindGuy

donc
--Do any U.S. states now have daylight time all year long ?

 


Arizona is on Standard Mountain Time or Pacific Daylights Savings Time all year.  I believe if California changes it will be consistent with California all year.

Sep 16, 2019 - 8:16:04 AM
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8902 posts since 2/22/2007

I would prefer year-round DST, but just pick one and leave it alone, please, please, please.

Sep 16, 2019 - 10:27:58 AM

Owen

Canada

4089 posts since 6/5/2011

quote:
Originally posted by raybob

  <snip>.... and would rather see standard time year round.


Why would year-round STD time be preferable to year-round DST?

Sep 16, 2019 - 11:03:44 AM

raybob

USA

13393 posts since 12/11/2003

Probably stems from seeing kids going to school in the pitch black dark.

Sep 16, 2019 - 11:48:56 AM
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OM45GE

USA

89158 posts since 11/7/2007

quote:
Originally posted by DC5

 There is some argument that year round DST would save energy (first proposed by Benjamin Franklin), but I doubt even that is very true, depending on latitude.


Benjamin Franklin's DST proposal was in jest. He was living in Paris and noted how the French stayed up and slept in quite late. He said changing the clocks ahead an hour would give his hosts more time to enjoy the sun in the evening.

Sep 16, 2019 - 11:56:10 AM

3845 posts since 11/29/2005

Ray - my brother still lives in CA (I moved to AZ when we retired). I like when he's on DST, because then we don't have to worry about time differences when we call each other (he tends to call in the evening when on ST it's just about my dinner - or bed - time).

Sep 16, 2019 - 12:01:47 PM
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795 posts since 11/17/2018

The State of Oregon will now remain on DST year-round.
 

Edited by - OldNavyGuy on 09/16/2019 12:05:12

Sep 16, 2019 - 12:26:11 PM

Owen

Canada

4089 posts since 6/5/2011

quote:
Originally posted by OM45GE
  [Ben Franklin] said changing the clocks ahead an hour would give his hosts more time to enjoy the sun in the evening.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.   

Edit: While my activities might have slowed a bit, I won't begrudge others the opportunity.

Edited by - Owen on 09/16/2019 12:34:36

Sep 16, 2019 - 12:34:32 PM
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OM45GE

USA

89158 posts since 11/7/2007

Old Ben was a funny guy for sure. Some of his writings were quite risque.

Sep 16, 2019 - 12:35:53 PM
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donc

Canada

6009 posts since 2/9/2010

As Dave [DC5] mentioned there is now serious discussion of going to universal time. The airports of the world operate on that clock. If we went to universal time it would be a huge adjustment. The only place in the world with high noon would be Great Britain and places directly north and south. Sunrise here would be around 2 pm. [14:00] Lunch would be on our clock as 8:00 P.M. or 20:00. I'm too old for this b$%%&*.

Edited by - donc on 09/16/2019 12:37:52

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