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Sullivan Rim Comparison Videos - Vintage 35's

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Sep 13, 2019 - 10:17:17 AM
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2183 posts since 1/16/2013

Here's a couple new Sullivan Vintage 35's I have at the house. They are both set up the same with head tension etc..
The 2019 has a roasted mahogany neck and a roasted Factory Floor block rim. The 2017 is a normal stock Vintage 35 mahogany with a 3-ply rim.
Let me know your thoughts and opinions. Eric sure makes a fine banjo.


Sep 13, 2019 - 10:23:41 AM

Emiel

Austria

9213 posts since 1/22/2003

The "Vintage" sounds deeper and fuller, more interestingly sounding… The normal sounds good too.

Sep 13, 2019 - 11:57:11 AM

2319 posts since 9/12/2016

my thoughts
the 17 has a few more lower overtones,the 19 has the low but not as much but a little more zing

Sep 13, 2019 - 4:31:08 PM

12174 posts since 10/30/2008

I like the "normal" 2017 a tiny bit better because it is a tiny bit "drier". Clearer tones with less "sizzle", by a tiny bit. I don't like flat heads to "sizzle" or "zing".

Sep 13, 2019 - 7:23:36 PM

219 posts since 10/23/2010

They both sound extremely good.

But my ears give the 2019 the edge.
Just seems to have a little something extra and better clarity.

Sep 13, 2019 - 9:11:01 PM

2319 posts since 9/12/2016

my mahogany blaylock on a factory floor has zero zing, I would like to have one that had all kinds of ringy highs since I never had one. Maybe one of those roasted rims and the stuhll # 4 from what I have read about it. Of course a maple neck. The blaylock ain't going anywhere either

Sep 13, 2019 - 9:47:48 PM

chuckv97

Canada

43391 posts since 10/5/2013

Both excellent,, I like the 2019 a bit better,, I like the fuller sound

Sep 15, 2019 - 10:22:36 AM
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KDBanjo

USA

71 posts since 2/25/2018

Both are great but I prefer the 2019. To my ears better clarity and more of the old dry sound.

Sep 15, 2019 - 2:47:13 PM

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I have been a V35 fan since they started, so listened 2 days before commenting. I prefer the 2019 both days. It seems warmer and fuller while maintaining clarity.

Sep 15, 2019 - 5:18:28 PM

Bk2olKY

USA

430 posts since 1/23/2016

I like the 2019 much better! It seems more open and complex. Great sustain. Even with the overtones, there is a nice softness to it. But both are nice. The '17 is definitely darker. More clarity, maybe more punch, but also one-dimensional. How do they feel? I bet that '19 is humming.

Sep 16, 2019 - 6:36:42 AM

lazyarcher

Canada

7032 posts since 4/19/2004

The '19 is just a bit bigger, like all the tones have just a bit more of everything

Sep 16, 2019 - 7:02:37 AM

1395 posts since 3/27/2008

I own Sullivan banjos with several of their rim types, and although I really like them all, the new Factory Floor block rim V35 that I have has a definite and noticeable superiority in tone and power... It's an incredible rim (and banjo).

I don't have the ROASTED FFloor block rim that rim has (I have the UNroasted FFloor block rim), but I did get the chance to play Jim's V35 roasted FFloor block rim banjo while it was at Eric's shop, and it is a very impressive banjo. Very impressive.

Sep 16, 2019 - 3:27:10 PM
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4323 posts since 12/24/2003

I definitely like the 2019 model better! It has more "twang" and clarity and sounds a little more responsive. The notes really pop off the head and it has really nice note separation. Great pickin', Jim!!

I personally think the Sullivan rings are some of the best rings on the market!

I'm curious if the those roasted block rims are red maple?

Tim

Sep 16, 2019 - 5:43:01 PM
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228 posts since 8/7/2007

Tim,

Thank you so much for the kind words. Our standard roasted maple block rims are red maple rims. The same exact wood we make our roasted maple bridges from.

On our regular Factory Floor and roasted Factory Floor block
maple rims what I currently know for sure is that the maple came from a building that was built in 1870 in northern Wisconsin.

As far as mechanical aspects our block rims are stiffer, more stable, more resonant, and lighter than the standard three ply rims being used today. So far we have experienced nothing but great success with them both with and without tone rings.

Eric

Sep 16, 2019 - 7:17:25 PM
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Dpilg

USA

29 posts since 9/12/2003

I have the Sullivan V35 ring, and factory floor roasted, block rim combination. Absolutely love it every time I pick it up to play. Its hard to put down. I have it with a mahogany neck, and resonator. I have compared it in same room as older prewar mahogany, and maple. It has a very identical sound to a prewar mahogany to the point I have done blind sound tests, and it is very difficult to determine a difference.
Setup is always important to the overall sound.

Eric does the best work available after comparing to other builders out there in my
opinion.

I plan on this being my lifetime banjo, and will never sell but hand down in the family.

Looking forward to doing another build and I believe the block factory, or block roasted factory is the only way to go.
Spending large amounts on prewar's makes no since to me.


The block roasted is a little lighter but gives a unique resonant sound. This rim has
no reason to be effected by humidity and expect it to be stable for many years to come. I have found it comes into its own with little lower head tension with deep 4th string and rings out up the neck and keeps on giving no matter how hard you play it.
I found that at normal head tension it would peel paint as it is said, with little effort.

Sep 16, 2019 - 8:43:37 PM

2319 posts since 9/12/2016

If the mic is set the same ,to me the 17 is louder

Sep 18, 2019 - 5:37:03 AM

755 posts since 11/17/2005

They sound very good and your picking is great. I'm surprised that everyone is saying they are different. I would think that almost no one could tell them apart, if they listened to these videos blind. In person may be a different story.

Oct 15, 2019 - 12:50:33 PM

2183 posts since 1/16/2013

Thanks for the feedback everyone. The 2017 has sold but the 2019 is still settling in and getting even better.

Oct 15, 2019 - 4:14:23 PM

tlong

USA

113 posts since 2/5/2009
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The 2017 has a presto tailpiece while the 2019 has a two hump I have noticed some tonal change when I switched them out

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