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Aug 23, 2019 - 6:20:59 AM

Willin

USA

145 posts since 4/28/2015

I have a question about playing a forward reverse roll 32151231 that uses a 2-3 sixteenth slide on the first beat and then a 3-2 sixteenth pulloff on the seventh beat, both 3rd G string. Which finger to use for the first beat slide? If I use the index finger currently I can’t get much of a slide between the 2nd and 3rd frets, but it does leave me well placed for the pulloff. That could change with a heap of practice.

If I use the middle, it’s much easier to slide beat one but then a bit of a rush to get that index back up to the second fret for the pulloff.

I can do it both ways, but I know once I settle on one over the other it gets “planted”. Which choice is going to leave me more options to move to whatever comes in the next measure? Is there a “preferred” fingering or is it a case of what works best for me? I’m trying to avoid having to change a bad set habit. Appreciate any thoughts.

Thanks,
Bob

Edited by - Willin on 08/23/2019 06:30:41

Aug 23, 2019 - 6:24:32 AM

116 posts since 6/22/2012

Generally the less position shift the better.
You said your index leaves you in the right place so...

Like many left hand techniques, there is usually the most efficient move, I'd go with that.

It would help to see the tab really, I'm not 100% sure what you are doing.

the tune that really got me thinking about finger choices lately was Foggy Mtn Special.

Edited by - sirtwangalot on 08/23/2019 06:26:38

Aug 23, 2019 - 6:40:13 AM
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3240 posts since 3/28/2008

Middle works best for most people. Try it and see.

I can't envision, from your description, why it would cause any problems. I mean, at the end of the slide your middle finger will be at the third fret. That puts your index conveniently at the second fret--exactly where it needs to be for that pulloff.

Aug 23, 2019 - 6:47:40 AM

chuckv97

Canada

42655 posts since 10/5/2013

Is this the phrase you’re referring to, Bob? (The slide isnt tabbed as sixteenth notes, but same diff). If so, I would follow Ira’s advice.

Edited by - chuckv97 on 08/23/2019 06:48:38

Aug 23, 2019 - 6:58:55 AM

116 posts since 6/22/2012

I think you could just hammer on as well if it's easier for you.
A lot of this is what works well for YOU, as I am learning.

Aug 23, 2019 - 8:36:32 AM
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5427 posts since 3/6/2006

quote:
Originally posted by Ira Gitlin

Middle works best for most people. Try it and see.

I can't envision, from your description, why it would cause any problems. I mean, at the end of the slide your middle finger will be at the third fret. That puts your index conveniently at the second fret--exactly where it needs to be for that pulloff.


That's what I thought too, but I'm guessing he is keeping his fingers up in the air unless they are actually fretting a string.

Aug 23, 2019 - 9:11:19 AM

Mooooo

USA

7078 posts since 8/20/2016
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If you are picking something similar to what Chuck posted, then the middle finger is most efficient for reasons Ira explained. Even if you hit the open 1st string in the first half of that measure, it's a good habit to use the middle finger over the index just to streamline your licks.

Edited by - Mooooo on 08/23/2019 09:14:31

Aug 23, 2019 - 10:28:50 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by sirtwangalot

I think you could just hammer on as well if it's easier for you.
A lot of this is what works well for YOU, as I am learning.


That’s of course true. But not necessarily sound advice for a beginner. The 2-3 slide on 3rd followed a few notes later by a 3-2 pull-off on the same string is a foundational move that’s part of a foundational lick in Scruggs style and should be learned.

Once you CAN play it, you can always decide later if you WANT to or if you’d rather do something else. I’ll admit that over the years I let my 3-2 pull-offs get lazy and close to non-existent, replaced most often by 3-2 slides.  Something else to work on.

Aug 23, 2019 - 10:40:51 AM
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@Old Hickory

I agree, and didn't fully understand what the OP was doing.

Speaking of pull-offs, sometimes "lift-offs" sound better.

A snappy pull-off is sometimes just too much for certain phrases, gently lifting off the middle sounds better. Certainly faster.

Aug 23, 2019 - 3:13:06 PM
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Willin

USA

145 posts since 4/28/2015

Thank you for the feedback. Middle finger it is. Four and half years in to solid daily practice I'm thinking of shifting more practice time to building licks. I have half a dozen songs down, some with sixteenth note ornaments. A gradual progression with the same songs from eights. A few years ago I bought Janet Davis's Splitting the Licks book. Looked it over and realized it was beyond my skill level at the time. I pulled it down last week and light bulbs went off. "I can begin do this". I'm dual tracking my daily practice time between songs and rolling backup. It's coming together. Time to begin learning some licks. The lick I asked about was right off the first page in Standard BlueGrass-
Style Roll Patterns. Page one (8 actually). It is shown as an alternate to the Forward Reverse Roll. Don't know if I'll get every lick in the following pages and chapters down, but I'm going to start building a vocabulary using it. I believe me and this book will be pals for quite some time.

Thanks again for the kind assistance. Chances are high I'll be back with similar inquiries.

Bob

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