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Aug 27, 2019 - 11:04:49 AM
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49 posts since 6/24/2019

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Originally posted by dbrooks

There are some YouTube videos, but it's tough to get a good angle to show Jason's right hand.

"Wild Bill Jones"" - mix of two-finger and three-finger?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZCuPVwhLM0

Lost Lula" - clawhammer:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQLVx7pbZgc

Inside the Craft interview. Good angle of up-picking near the end (8:15):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og_Jdw_VNs4

"Babes, Mothers, Fathers" - occasional shots of up-picking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og_Jdw_VNs4

David


Yes David, the Inside the Craft clip @ 8:15 does show him using metal picks and up stroking.  Do you think Jason is doing the same on his Cumberland Gap video?  I just can't tell if he is up picking or down picking on his Lost Lula and Cumberland songs (which I love!)

Aug 29, 2019 - 8:00:16 AM

49 posts since 6/24/2019

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Originally posted by TO in JoMO
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Originally posted by HoosierDoodles

To in JoMO are you only striking the 1st string with your middle and then your index is hitting the 2nd and 3rd strings? And you strumming those strings down or up?
Sorry for the questions but I am a beginner and trying to get the concept of Jason's three finger rolls. You are a great player by the way!!!!


It is all up picking with 3 fingers.   I strike the 1st string with the middle and sometimes the index finger.  On the 2nd string I strike with the index or thumb but on occasion I will use the middle finger on the 2nd string which is not typically done with most 3 finger pickers.  One the 3rd string I use the thumb or index but not the middle finger.

You can pick the strings with whatever finger you can make work, although it is hard to do a good roll using the thumb on the 1st string or index or middle on the 4th or 5th.  Heck, Martin Simpson I have heard plays with 4 fingers.  He has some good music to listen to.

It is all basic 3 finger Scruggs type rolls with some slides and hammer ons.   There are a lot of forward rolls with some   T-I-T-M and M-I-M-T rolls there.    If you are really new to fingerstyle, this might be a tough one to figure out.  You can really get these rolls down in an open tuning like G tuning and trying this later once you get forward, backward, and alternating finger rolls down smoothly.

 


Thank you, I am going to try up-picking with the Index and Middle.  It seems to me it is going to be easier than strumming down with my middle and index. On in this video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQLVx7pbZgc it looks like he is using claw hammer method  (picking downwards) without the strum.  I can watch these videos dozens of times, but I still have trouble discerning what technicques he is using.

Aug 29, 2019 - 11:02:11 AM
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sig1965

USA

74 posts since 3/19/2018

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Originally posted by dbrooks

HoosierDoodles , yes, up-picking is a category that I think includes 2-finger, 3-funger as well as the Seeger strum.

David


This.  I took a few days to figure out Old Paint, and he uses all three fingers but his playing style is very similar to three fingers rolls (Scruggs).  I'm a clawhammer guy but a fingerstyle guitarist, the hardest thing to figure out was the tuning.  For Old Paint, the first and fifth string are tuned to the same note.  Was throwing me off.

Aug 31, 2019 - 1:40 PM
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stanger

USA

7226 posts since 9/29/2004

quote:
Originally posted by TO in JoMO
quote:
Originally posted by HoosierDoodles

To in JoMO are you only striking the 1st string with your middle and then your index is hitting the 2nd and 3rd strings? And you strumming those strings down or up?
Sorry for the questions but I am a beginner and trying to get the concept of Jason's three finger rolls. You are a great player by the way!!!!


It is all up picking with 3 fingers.   I strike the 1st string with the middle and sometimes the index finger.  On the 2nd string I strike with the index or thumb but on occasion I will use the middle finger on the 2nd string which is not typically done with most 3 finger pickers.  One the 3rd string I use the thumb or index but not the middle finger.

You can pick the strings with whatever finger you can make work, although it is hard to do a good roll using the thumb on the 1st string or index or middle on the 4th or 5th.  Heck, Martin Simpson I have heard plays with 4 fingers.  He has some good music to listen to.

It is all basic 3 finger Scruggs type rolls with some slides and hammer ons.   There are a lot of forward rolls with some   T-I-T-M and M-I-M-T rolls there.    If you are really new to fingerstyle, this might be a tough one to figure out.  You can really get these rolls down in an open tuning like G tuning and trying this later once you get forward, backward, and alternating finger rolls down smoothly.

 


That's what I observed too in the BBC video Goodbye Old Paint.

The thing about Jason's playing is not how complicated it is; it's how beautifully he controls his volume dynamics and how he chooses notes that harmonize with his singing. Most of it is done with the thumb, but not always. 

He also gets that rippling sound with some very solid and well-syncopated rhythm. Using bare fingers on nylon strings also helps a lot. If he was playing a resonated banjo with steel strings and a tight head, it would sound more bluegrassy.

On several songs, Jason alternated between his 3-finger style and clawhammer. He clawhammers with the same drive and syncopation, and he's a very precise player. 

 Jason uses fingerpicks when he's playing the guitar. He plays in a flatpick style that's different from his banjo playing.

I noticed Pharis is playing a Martin guitar they bought from my brother. That guitar was always one of my favorites of his, but he never liked it as much as I did. It was nice to see it again!

regards,

stanger

Edited by - stanger on 08/31/2019 13:57:44

Sep 3, 2019 - 5:02:13 AM

49 posts since 6/24/2019

quote:
Originally posted by sig1965
quote:
Originally posted by dbrooks

HoosierDoodles , yes, up-picking is a category that I think includes 2-finger, 3-funger as well as the Seeger strum.

David


This.  I took a few days to figure out Old Paint, and he uses all three fingers but his playing style is very similar to three fingers rolls (Scruggs).  I'm a clawhammer guy but a fingerstyle guitarist, the hardest thing to figure out was the tuning.  For Old Paint, the first and fifth string are tuned to the same note.  Was throwing me off.


Lindsay, I would love see a clip of you playing Old Paint...what a great song!

Sep 10, 2019 - 6:25:33 AM

banjomanjeff

Canada

67 posts since 8/5/2007

Saw him live once very closeup - he does a mixture of everything. Clawhammer, and Scruggs without the picks, basically.

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