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Aug 20, 2019 - 8:24:39 AM
116 posts since 5/16/2016

I have a 6 string minstrel banjo (5 long strings, 1 drone string) project I started on about 8 months ago and never finished it because I could not find a rim for it. I am wanting a thin single ply rim that is 10 or 11 inches round ( it has a short neck). I don't have much money so I am looking at a price range between $1 and $40.


 

Edited by - Brice Alms on 08/20/2019 08:26:24

Aug 20, 2019 - 10:16:03 AM

17 posts since 5/27/2019

Maybe a 10" hand drum rim? By thin, do you mean wall thickness or pot depth?

Aug 20, 2019 - 10:17:58 AM

116 posts since 5/16/2016

quote:
Originally posted by Uke-alot

Maybe a 10" hand drum rim? By thin, do you mean wall thickness or pot depth?


I mean wall thickness. 

Aug 20, 2019 - 11:00:15 AM

95 posts since 7/22/2013

I think I have one, let me check

Aug 20, 2019 - 11:49:31 AM

FXHERE

USA

1775 posts since 9/6/2003

Contact Tommy George --TLG-here on the hangout, or google George banjo. Tommy builds old time banjos and makes rims for them . He is located in Somerville Tn. He is a super nice fellow and will try to help you.

Aug 20, 2019 - 12:19:41 PM
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17 posts since 5/27/2019

quote:
Originally posted by Brice Alms
quote:
Originally posted by Uke-alot

Maybe a 10" hand drum rim? By thin, do you mean wall thickness or pot depth?


I mean wall thickness. 


Here's a banjo uke I made with a Rhythm Band branded 10" tunable hand drum from Amazon.  I think it was about $30.  It has a wall thickness of about 1/4" and a pot depth of 2".  Not sure of the wood species, but it matches well with the maple parts I made.  




Aug 20, 2019 - 5:01:53 PM

919 posts since 1/26/2012

Why single ply? A multi-ply rim will be much stiffer if you want it thin. I'd go with a Keller drum shell.

Aug 20, 2019 - 5:25:29 PM

116 posts since 5/16/2016

quote:
Originally posted by ClayTech

Why single ply? A multi-ply rim will be much stiffer if you want it thin. I'd go with a Keller drum shell.

Single ply Is historically correct. This it a replica of an 1870s-80s, 6 string.

Aug 21, 2019 - 4:08:45 AM

Hawgfiddle65

Scotland

1160 posts since 9/15/2010

Hi

You could go super authentic and look for something like this to chop up.

ebay.co.uk/itm/ANTIQUE-VINTAGE...wZvldUtXW

Jim

Aug 21, 2019 - 7:12:01 AM

2415 posts since 6/19/2008

I've got a couple of 12 1/2" rims made up, I could sell you one. Or I could probably bend you an 11" one if I can find the time. I steam bend them from 5/16" white oak.

PM me for more details.


Edited by - Jonnycake White on 08/21/2019 07:12:30

Aug 21, 2019 - 7:17:36 AM
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Helix1

USA

429 posts since 4/17/2019

And that, team, is rim building

Grain measures are scarce

Aug 21, 2019 - 9:13:18 AM

3546 posts since 5/12/2010

I too am building some thin rim banjos.

My first experiment was on a 12" 2 ply 5/16" thick rim, and it produces what I want. Real good tone, and plenty of volume.

That one was built using a "Turkish Hand Drum" rim I bought on Ebay a few years ago. I bought two of them, and now that I want more I cannot find anyone offering one.

What "Jonnycake" describes is something I would like to try. I got good results with that 2 ply rim, would like to find out what a 1 ply would do, and 5/16" is the thickness I want. Are 12 1/2" banjo heads available? Don't want to use hide.

A 10 ply Drum shell rim is not worth the time to assemble in my opinion, they just won't produce the tone I want, probably because of the layers of glue.

Edited by - OldPappy on 08/21/2019 09:15:56

Aug 21, 2019 - 10:05:50 AM
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rudy

USA

14384 posts since 3/27/2004

quote:
Originally posted by OldPappy

I too am building some thin rim banjos.

My first experiment was on a 12" 2 ply 5/16" thick rim, and it produces what I want. Real good tone, and plenty of volume.

That one was built using a "Turkish Hand Drum" rim I bought on Ebay a few years ago. I bought two of them, and now that I want more I cannot find anyone offering one.

What "Jonnycake" describes is something I would like to try. I got good results with that 2 ply rim, would like to find out what a 1 ply would do, and 5/16" is the thickness I want. Are 12 1/2" banjo heads available? Don't want to use hide.

A 10 ply Drum shell rim is not worth the time to assemble in my opinion, they just won't produce the tone I want, probably because of the layers of glue.


You can find sellers of single layer ash (and other) solid wood drum frames on ETSY.  Here's an example:

Single layer Ash drum frames in assorted sizes, 12" and up.

There are a lot of Enoch Tradesman owners who would not agree that Keller multi-ply shells don't make fine sounding banjos.

As the number of plies goes up the rim increases in rigidity and stability.  Your 2 ply would be a much better choice than a single; 3 plies or more would be better.  I haven't found any evidence that the number of layers has much to do with the final sound of a banjo.

Edited by - rudy on 08/21/2019 10:11:27

Aug 21, 2019 - 11:17:12 AM

3546 posts since 5/12/2010

Hi Randy,

You have built a lot more rims than I have, so know more about it. The 2 ply rim may be a better choice for what I want, but I simply want to experiment with a 1 ply rim before deciding which works best. Thanks for the link. Once I know what works best for what I am building I intend to set up to bend my own rims.

I am sure there are indeed a lot of Enoch Tradesman owners who like the sound of their banjos, but that was not my point.

While they may sound okay to others, "they just won't produce the tone I want". This is my observation from playing some of the Tradesman banjos, and from trying a drum shell rim on one of my builds. If these would satisfy me, it certainly would be a cheap way to build banjos as you can get 3 rims from one Tom Tom drum shell, but they don't cut the mustard for me.

Aug 21, 2019 - 3:58:39 PM
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rudy

USA

14384 posts since 3/27/2004

quote:
Originally posted by OldPappy

Hi Randy,

You have built a lot more rims than I have, so know more about it. The 2 ply rim may be a better choice for what I want, but I simply want to experiment with a 1 ply rim before deciding which works best. Thanks for the link. Once I know what works best for what I am building I intend to set up to bend my own rims.

I am sure there are indeed a lot of Enoch Tradesman owners who like the sound of their banjos, but that was not my point.

While they may sound okay to others, "they just won't produce the tone I want". This is my observation from playing some of the Tradesman banjos, and from trying a drum shell rim on one of my builds. If these would satisfy me, it certainly would be a cheap way to build banjos as you can get 3 rims from one Tom Tom drum shell, but they don't cut the mustard for me.


Absolutely agree that beauty of sound is in the ear of the beholder.

I'm not a huge fan of the Keller rims myself, but it has more to do with the limitations of wall thickness and how much has to be done to make them into something a little less "utilitarian" in looks.  By the time you add an outer figured wood lamination, rim cap, and possibly more inner layers to increase wall thickness you might as well just roll your own.

Sometimes the cheapest and/or easiest route isn't the best road to travel.

Aug 22, 2019 - 5:34:40 AM

3546 posts since 5/12/2010

I agree with you about the cheapest and easiest not being the best road to travel, with the caveat this is influenced by who the banjo is being made for.

There is certainly a place for low cost banjos, and I have built a number of them for beginners who could not afford much more than just a basic banjo, but even when I build something for this purpose I strive to get a banjo that sounds good, and plays good.

This current round of experimentation is along these lines. I want to be able to provide a simple light weight banjo, that delivers these results at a very affordable price.

I have also built banjos for several well know players who are out in front of a lot of people.

Whether a student, or a professional, I don't want anyone looking at one of my banjos and thinking it looks cheaply made.

Aug 23, 2019 - 11:15:55 PM

85 posts since 2/20/2004

Keller Drums.
They make percussion rims you can cut down. You can add a veneer if you want them a little thicker.
All kinds of sizes.
kellerproducts.com/

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