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Aug 18, 2019 - 8:34:13 AM
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2575 posts since 7/28/2015

It recently happened in another thread that one BHO member did research on another to point out bad things that he had done. This is doxing. While it might not have been a huge issue in this particular case (the posts are now deleted), doxing can be very dangerous if it includes personal information and at the very least is against the spirit of positive interaction that I think the BHO represents. While I was largely in agreement with the member who did the doxing, I would argue that it is a behavior that none of us should engage in.

Aug 18, 2019 - 9:28:53 AM

Banjo Lefty

Canada

1626 posts since 6/19/2014

Not sure I get it. Was the member engaging in an ad hominem argument? I.e., trying to show that the first poster was of bad character rather than addressing the issue?

Aug 18, 2019 - 9:30:20 AM
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RonR

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1484 posts since 11/29/2012

That stuff belongs on Facebook.

Aug 18, 2019 - 9:36:51 AM

2575 posts since 7/28/2015

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Originally posted by Banjo Lefty

Not sure I get it. Was the member engaging in an ad hominem argument? I.e., trying to show that the first poster was of bad character rather than addressing the issue?


Yes, but it is more insidious than that.  The intended effect of doxing is to turn the entire forum against the target or to make the target afraid or embarrassed so that they leave the forum altogether.

Aug 18, 2019 - 9:40:23 AM
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If you post racist content on Facebook that doesn't mean that you are a racist on Facebook, but not on BHO. Doxing would have been posting the guy's address or phone number or medical records (though he claims never to use conventional medicine, so possibly hasn't got any). Pointing out what he has posted on another public forum is NOT doxing.

Aug 18, 2019 - 10:08:30 AM
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Originally posted by AndrewD

If you post racist content on Facebook that doesn't mean that you are a racist on Facebook, but not on BHO. Doxing would have been posting the guy's address or phone number or medical records (though he claims never to use conventional medicine, so possibly hasn't got any). Pointing out what he has posted on another public forum is NOT doxing.


Not really.   The wikipedia article, for example, lists doing social media searches as a common doxing technique and lists things such as outing KKK members as an instance of doxing.   There is clearly a cline of behaviors that could be included in the term and what happened in this case may be mild but to me it still seemed like the goal of the posting was very much in the spirit of doxing, where rather than addressing the actual argument, it was to silence the doxee by removing some of the anonymity that the forum provides.  It doesn't really matter if this behavior fits under a strict definition of doxing or not, the point is that it shouldn't be done in the spirit of a welcoming BHO community.

Edited by - prooftheory on 08/18/2019 10:10:47

Aug 18, 2019 - 11:05:54 AM

figmo59

USA

29191 posts since 3/5/2008

If I were to tell you that I am an N.R.A. member...that is ok..

But...if you looked it up n posted it about me.. to use it as a form of slander..(Might not be the right word.)...That is not ok ..imo...

Aug 18, 2019 - 11:33:02 AM

Banjo Lefty

Canada

1626 posts since 6/19/2014

I had to go read the internet article on doxing. I had never heard of the term before, but then, I keep my internet presence to a minimum. The BHO is the only social media forum I use (well, I'm also on the Mandolin Hangout, but that's pretty dead).

I guess the question boils down to this: is there a right to anonymity on social media? For people who simply disagree with you, it could be argued that there is an ethical responsibility to maintain anonymity if for no other reason than that it's a two-way street (double-edged sword? -- pick your cliche). But what if the person strays into inciting violence? Hate speech? Racism? Terrorism? Isn't there then an obligation to "out" the perpetrator?

Aug 18, 2019 - 11:40:20 AM
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2575 posts since 7/28/2015

There's a difference between reporting something to authorities for the sake of preventing violence and reporting it to the BHO for the sake of "winning" what was described as a "bull session".

I'm against racism and the thing that was repeated from Facebook was clearly racist, but unless he brings his racism into the BHO, I don't think it is helpful to try to exclude him from participating.

Edited by - prooftheory on 08/18/2019 11:49:09

Aug 18, 2019 - 11:42:55 AM
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While I agree with AndrewD in principle, there is room for abuse, as in not providing the whole story, or the context in which something was done.
A case in point: right now comedian Sarah Silverman has been fired from a role and is now a persona non grata in the entertainment world, because she once did a skit in blackface. the skit was about the difference between prejudice against Jews like Silverman and that experienced by Blacks. The context does not matter now, it's just "you once wore blackface and are now forever shunned". Most comedians up until just very lately made their career by being edgy and pushing the boundaries. If there is a digital record of that, well you are done for in this age of the eternally offended.

And of course there are no repercussions for Eddie Murray doing skits in "whiteface" where he mocked White mannerisms.  And no, I don't think that there should be, but today's outrage is highly focused. 

Edited by - banjo bill-e on 08/18/2019 11:45:56

Aug 18, 2019 - 12:23:01 PM
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52153 posts since 12/14/2005

"Selective indignation" is nothing new.

When WE do it or say it, it's all in good fun, or it's for the Greater Good of the Community, or some other Noble Cause.
But when THEY do it, it is deliberate EEVILL!

Doxing is a new word, to me.

But then, I am daily living with technology only IMAGINED, a hundred years ago.

Y'all got a CAMERA in your TELEPHONE?

"Tom Swift and His Photo-Telephone" was published in 1914!

Aug 18, 2019 - 12:54:55 PM
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8801 posts since 2/22/2007

Yeah, Mike, like Dick Tracy's two way wrist radio in 1946, upgraded to two-way wrist TV in '64.

Aug 18, 2019 - 1:00:46 PM

8874 posts since 1/15/2005

quote:
Originally posted by prooftheory

It recently happened in another thread that one BHO member did research on another to point out bad things that he had done. This is doxing. While it might not have been a huge issue in this particular case (the posts are now deleted), doxing can be very dangerous if it includes personal information and at the very least is against the spirit of positive interaction that I think the BHO represents. While I was largely in agreement with the member who did the doxing, I would argue that it is a behavior that none of us should engage in.


I'm in total agreement Frank.  When I first read the post, I didn't so much think of doxing, but rather it was just in poor taste on this forum.  I can't imagine a context where  I would have agreed with the post, but I do not know in what context it was made on Facebook.  The "doxer", in this case, had already started with attacking the "doxee" rather than merely countering his argument.

Aug 18, 2019 - 1:19:26 PM
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8801 posts since 2/22/2007

I'm not big on internet anonymity. I think it brings out the worst in people. I put my photo, my real name, and my home town in my profile and I stand by what I say in public. And while I may engage with them from time to time, I have little use and even less respect for the various sock puppets which frequent this site. I understand that some feel a need to protect their privacy, but there is no need to have multiple online personas and pretend to be what you are not.

Aug 18, 2019 - 5:44:13 PM
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Mooooo

USA

7077 posts since 8/20/2016

I makes me a bit angry that:

1. Someone did this to a BHO member.
2. There is a word for it.
3. We are discussing it.

I remember when the internet was going to make life so much easier. But it's really just another way to be a-holes to each other...and to make up silly words.

Aug 18, 2019 - 6:28:43 PM
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figmo59

USA

29191 posts since 3/5/2008

Geeze...Mooooo...

Tell us how ya really feel..... :0)

Aug 19, 2019 - 4:34:48 AM

Texasbanjo (Moderator)

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Enough with the flaming. This topic is locked because we can't be gentlemen.

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