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Jul 17, 2019 - 8:14:30 PM
51979 posts since 12/14/2005

The guy who celebrated NOT being in a traffic accident, by flying into a RAGE and shooting into the other vehicle, a vehicle containing a mother and some children, and KILLING a three-year-old, was found ( thanks to citizens in the area), arrested, in jail with a quarter million dollar bail, and facing a very long sentence if convicted.

Thank you, former neighbors in Milwaukee.

Jul 18, 2019 - 4:42:20 AM

figmo59

USA

29134 posts since 3/5/2008

Glad he got caught....

Jul 18, 2019 - 4:49:59 AM

Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

23064 posts since 8/3/2003

Our town had an incident over the 4th where a drunk plowed through a barricade and ran over and killed two young children. Who are they going after? Not only the drunk, no money there, but the bar who sold the liquor. Deep pockets lawsuit? Hopefully, the drunk will be tried and found guilty and taken off the road for a long time. As far as the bar is concerned, maybe they didn't realize how drunk that person was?

Jul 18, 2019 - 8:12:28 AM

Owen

Canada

3718 posts since 6/5/2011
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Sherry, maybe the bar personnel didn't realize ... maybe they didn't try to find out .... maybe they should have??   

If we had an inquisitorial court/justice system instead of an adversarial one .... ah, well, ... I suppose you can guess where this could go....   

In any event, a court might answer some of the maybes.

Jul 18, 2019 - 8:29:44 AM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

23064 posts since 8/3/2003

Owen I sincerely doubt it was the fault of the bar personnel. Drunks can act pretty sober to get another drink and then get in the car and not look where they are going or pass out at the wheel or...... why do some people always want to blame someone else for the problem? The drunk caused the accident and caused the death of two little girls. That's who should have to pay by being incarcerated.

Jul 18, 2019 - 9:16:42 AM

Owen

Canada

3718 posts since 6/5/2011
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Some people are willing than others to let the "facts" (?) be presented in court before coming to a conclusion, and some people would also prefer to see an inquisitorial system.    Having said that, I also doubt that the expression "The law is an ass." just combusted on a street corner one day.   

I can't shed much light on the "why" of: "why some people always want to blame someone else... "  although I do acknowledge that It appears to be a widespread phenomenon.  Not that it matters, but it's contrary to my personal makeup/mindset, and I have limited knowledge of, or training in, psychology/sociology/??? 

Edited by - Owen on 07/18/2019 09:17:20

Jul 18, 2019 - 11:02:54 AM
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Tommy5

USA

3361 posts since 2/22/2009

Alcohol is often underestimated drug. The drug literally poisons the thinking part of the brain and lets the impulsive and reptilian part of the brain take over. Since the sound judgement part of the brain is impaired , the drunk doesn’t realize how impaired he- she is. A significant minority of folks in jail were high when they committed their crimes,. People with anxiety and or depression or significant mental illness will sometimes self medicate with alcohol as it replaces their anxiety with a gentle numbness.
Unfortunately alcohol abuse is aided by an macho culture that assumes real men can -hold- their alcohol and that one should be able to control both ones temper and motor vehicle even while two or three times over the legal limit. When I was growing up comedians would pretend to be drunk and were accompanied by howls of laughter from the audience , it was just a big joke to be drunk.
Thankfully we seem to have as a culture a better understanding of the power of alcohol and respect for it, but we still have a long way to go. When I was younger, I used to drink socially as it was kind of expected in the working class crowd I hung around with, but I never really liked it. Now that I am older, I don’t drink at all, don’t miss it, and feel lucky that was I was able to slip by during the drinking years without killing myself or others when I did drink.

Edited by - Tommy5 on 07/18/2019 11:04:08

Jul 18, 2019 - 11:42:27 PM
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Paul R

Canada

11449 posts since 1/28/2010

quote:
Originally posted by Tommy5

Alcohol is often underestimated drug. The drug literally poisons the thinking part of the brain and lets the impulsive and reptilian part of the brain take over. Since the sound judgement part of the brain is impaired , the drunk doesn’t realize how impaired he- she is. A significant minority of folks in jail were high when they committed their crimes,. People with anxiety and or depression or significant mental illness will sometimes self medicate with alcohol as it replaces their anxiety with a gentle numbness.
Unfortunately alcohol abuse is aided by an macho culture that assumes real men can -hold- their alcohol and that one should be able to control both ones temper and motor vehicle even while two or three times over the legal limit. When I was growing up comedians would pretend to be drunk and were accompanied by howls of laughter from the audience , it was just a big joke to be drunk.
Thankfully we seem to have as a culture a better understanding of the power of alcohol and respect for it, but we still have a long way to go. When I was younger, I used to drink socially as it was kind of expected in the working class crowd I hung around with, but I never really liked it. Now that I am older, I don’t drink at all, don’t miss it, and feel lucky that was I was able to slip by during the drinking years without killing myself or others when I did drink.


Social drinking was the norm in my parents' generation. "One for the road" and "let me freshen that up for you" were common expressions. Men in their suits and women in their best dresses all conversing with drinks in their hands - that was the picture I remember at our place. At university dances the guys were all drinking beer or rum and cola. I just couldn't bring myself to spend all that money to force myself to get used to something I didn't even like, and, as one of my profs said, to allow a substance to "take control of you".

It's interesting to see a more sober attitude (pardon the pun) toward drinking that seems more prevalent in society in general, although, by the stories above, we still have a way to go.

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