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Jun 17, 2019 - 11:01:44 AM
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4400 posts since 1/5/2005

I was doing a setup over the weekend, "tightening the belts and hoses," and chasing down a string buzz. Turned out one of the frets had some dimples and should really be replaced, no biggie if ever I get into the mood to doing that.

In the mean time though I got this weird idea: how about filling the dimple? A roll of green painter's tape happened to be staring me in the face - cut a small piece of it and stuck it one the fret.

Waddaya know, buzz totally gone! Played for about half an hour - tape holding, still no buzz - cracked me right up... smiley yes

Yup, not gonna last for sure. Then again, it's my own banjo and I got a couple of rolls of the stuff... wink

Edited by - Bart Veerman on 06/17/2019 11:02:45

Jun 17, 2019 - 11:59:02 AM

3618 posts since 10/13/2005

I don't know Bart. Better keep the curtains drawn. The banjo police might swing by any moment now. They'll claim that it is illegal to do that to a banjo even if it is your own banjo. Skating on thin ice here, good luck! banjered

Jun 17, 2019 - 12:02:44 PM

5901 posts since 8/28/2013

I'll remember this one when someone asks me to refret their entire banjo.

Jun 17, 2019 - 12:29:45 PM
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106 posts since 4/11/2019

Leave it to the Canadian to fix his banjo with duck tape.

Wasn't that an old episode on the Red Green Show???

Jun 17, 2019 - 12:47:48 PM
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rudy

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14162 posts since 3/27/2004

I use a short section of stainless steel micro-tubing (split down the middle length-wise...) to saddle the fifth fret where the fifth string sits on top of the fret.  Maybe I should market these pieces as temporary "crowns" for fret divots to stave off a re-fret for awhile...  wink

I end up with an extra 5" of this tubing every time I do  tunneled fifth neck because it's supplied in a 12" length.  Hummm...

Edited by - rudy on 06/17/2019 12:52:08

Jun 17, 2019 - 1:13:09 PM

150 posts since 11/13/2018

How the heck do you split micro tubing down the middle, cleanly.

Jun 17, 2019 - 1:25:52 PM

2182 posts since 3/30/2008

Bart, This should be added to the long list of "redneck repairs".

Jun 17, 2019 - 1:53:06 PM
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1425 posts since 6/2/2010

Being a Red-neck from WV the proper way to fix it is with silver duct tape - matches the fret better!

Jun 17, 2019 - 2:03:43 PM

11870 posts since 6/29/2005

quote:
Originally posted by Bart Veerman

I was doing a setup over the weekend, "tightening the belts and hoses," and chasing down a string buzz. Turned out one of the frets had some dimples and should really be replaced, no biggie if ever I get into the mood to doing that.

In the mean time though I got this weird idea: how about filling the dimple? A roll of green painter's tape happened to be staring me in the face - cut a small piece of it and stuck it one the fret.

Waddaya know, buzz totally gone! Played for about half an hour - tape holding, still no buzz - cracked me right up... smiley yes

Yup, not gonna last for sure. Then again, it's my own banjo and I got a couple of rolls of the stuff... wink

 


Well Bart, as a bridge builder, you'd probably know that Earl Scruggs often put a little piece of tape under the string  on one of the bridge string notches because there was something that bothered him and that fixed it.

Maybe tape is the miracle banjo repair substancesmiley.

Edited by - Ken LeVan on 06/17/2019 14:04:19

Jun 17, 2019 - 2:07:28 PM

3618 posts since 10/13/2005

Not just ANY tape – PRE-WAR tape! banjered

Jun 17, 2019 - 4:25:53 PM
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rudy

USA

14162 posts since 3/27/2004

quote:
Originally posted by Ken LeVan
quote:
Originally posted by Bart Veerman

I was doing a setup over the weekend, "tightening the belts and hoses," and chasing down a string buzz. Turned out one of the frets had some dimples and should really be replaced, no biggie if ever I get into the mood to doing that.

In the mean time though I got this weird idea: how about filling the dimple? A roll of green painter's tape happened to be staring me in the face - cut a small piece of it and stuck it one the fret.

Waddaya know, buzz totally gone! Played for about half an hour - tape holding, still no buzz - cracked me right up... smiley yes

Yup, not gonna last for sure. Then again, it's my own banjo and I got a couple of rolls of the stuff... wink

 


Well Bart, as a bridge builder, you'd probably know that Earl Scruggs often put a little piece of tape under the string  on one of the bridge string notches because there was something that bothered him and that fixed it.

Maybe tape is the miracle banjo repair substancesmiley.


Frank Lee of the Freighthoppers when interviewed about his setup said that he always added a small flag of electrical tape to the fifth string directly in front of the bridge to tame its brightness a bit.

Edited by - rudy on 06/17/2019 16:26:28

Jun 17, 2019 - 4:32:09 PM
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rudy

USA

14162 posts since 3/27/2004

quote:
Originally posted by Trailryder42

How the heck do you split micro tubing down the middle, cleanly.


I hold the tubing between wood pads in my shop vise so the end sticks out and use a 1" diameter cutoff disc to slice away half of the tube.  You have to cut on one side of the centerline, so the smaller section is scrapped in the process, but it's cheap and disposable. 

Jun 17, 2019 - 6:37:42 PM
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dannyp

USA

132 posts since 3/27/2013

I sure hope nobody from Stewmac is reading this...

Jun 17, 2019 - 7:15:29 PM

chuckv97

Canada

41194 posts since 10/5/2013

Thnx fer the tip... I’ve got a too-bright 5th string when capo’d at the 4th,,, I like the flag of tape idea

Jun 17, 2019 - 7:21:37 PM
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rudy

USA

14162 posts since 3/27/2004

quote:
Originally posted by dannyp

I sure hope nobody from Stewmac is reading this...


To quote Larry The Cable Guy, "That there's funny, I don't care who you are! "

Jun 17, 2019 - 7:46:45 PM

1663 posts since 10/17/2013

quote:
Originally posted by rudy
quote:
Originally posted by dannyp

I sure hope nobody from Stewmac is reading this...


To quote Larry The Cable Guy, "That there's funny, I don't care who you are! "


They already did. 

StewMac is now offering fret tape, $150 per roll. Retape, not refret, is the name of the...never mind.

Jun 17, 2019 - 9:02:26 PM

5901 posts since 8/28/2013

quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97

Thnx fer the tip... I’ve got a too-bright 5th string when capo’d at the 4th,,, I like the flag of tape idea


I don't like the idea. Adding weight, even something as light as a small flag, will affect the way the string vibrates and can ruin any chance of a string being perfectly tuned. 

I suppose that's not really aa big issue, though, on a string that has very little sustain.

Jun 18, 2019 - 6:20:17 AM
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rudy

USA

14162 posts since 3/27/2004

I've always thought Frank Lee sounded just fine...  wink

Jun 18, 2019 - 8:06:17 AM

Bart Veerman

Canada

4400 posts since 1/5/2005

quote:
Originally posted by rudy

I use a short section of stainless steel micro-tubing (split down the middle length-wise...) to saddle the fifth fret where the fifth string sits on top of the fret.  Maybe I should market these pieces as temporary "crowns" for fret divots to stave off a re-fret for awhile...  wink


 

Ah, great minds think alike (or not...) Way back when (late seventies) my 5th string was buzzing and, after a bit of trial & error, raising the string at the fret got rid of the buzz. Not an ideal fix, and not nearly as elegant as your method, a gob of solder right on top of the fret took care of it. Yup, this is the original neck of my [now] Franken Framus, I kept it "just in case" for all these years (I surprised myself for being able to find it just now...) smiley

Jun 18, 2019 - 8:25:16 AM

5901 posts since 8/28/2013

quote:
Originally posted by rudy

I've always thought Frank Lee sounded just fine...  wink


I'm sure he does.

As I stated, a bit of imbalance on a string with so little sustain might not be a big issue. A slight wobble in tone would probably show up on a violin or like instrument, though, should tape be applied. I also wonder about the effects this tape might have on playing harmonics.

I've worked with strings a lot, and I can assure you that a slight imbalance misplaces node points and the proper segmentation (and thus the harmonics) of the vibrating string, and can even lead to an audible "beat" because one end of the string is, in affect,  a different weight than the other. It becomes a "false string" that's nearly impossible to tune.

Frank Lee can do what he wishes, of course. But personally, I'd try to find a better way to tone down an obnoxious string.

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