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Jun 12, 2019 - 10:47:26 AM

mander

USA

3371 posts since 10/7/2007

You would think, hey I live in cannabis country, I should have been born with instinctive knowledge on the topic of hydroponics. I missed that gene.

I have a client. Or rather, I sort of have a client. The chain of communication is A to B to C to Me, back to C to B to A. I get zero response, and I have no idea where the communication break down happens, though I suspect all of the above.

Anyway, I'm suppose to grow this amazing vegetable garden with half a hydroponic system. I say half, because there is amazing drainage (almost too good.) There is the soil-less hydroponic soil. But the water delivery all wrong, too much all at once. And the water is straight well water. There are no micro-nutrients being delivered in the water. On top of that, I suspect, but have yet to confirm, the maintenance crew is dosing the "weeds" with Roundup because they don't know a weed from arugula or basil. In short, eight out of ten beds look sickly.

I don't know how to fix this problem, and I don't know any hydroponic folks in town. How is this possible?

Am I correct in believing the watering should be small, frequent doses? Five to eight seconds every two to three minutes? I know the water delivery needs to be changed, and I need a decent guess to tell the irrigation guy before he'll change it. I believe it is getting about two inches of water, three times a day. The leeks are loving it, everything else is drowning.

Suggestions?

Jun 12, 2019 - 7:28:32 PM

Buddur

USA

2644 posts since 10/23/2004

I think...just maybe...a banjo-oriented website isn't the best place to inquire about growing hydroponic weed.

I'm just guessing.

Good luck, regardless.

Jun 12, 2019 - 7:42 PM
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rwshade

USA

67 posts since 4/4/2010

You want to drip that water - and it doesn't have to be in a hurry. I used to use the same technique when I lived in a different climate.

Go to Duck-Duck-Go (or Google if you like being tracked) and look up micro-drip irrigation. Done correctly it can produce freakishly good results. There are adjustable water flow controllers as well as variously-sized drip emitters.

Tell the maintenance folk that real humans are now winning large lawsuits against the makers of Round-Up for cancer events. Ask to see their maintenance worker liability policy. It better have lots of zeros in it.

Spraying straight white distilled vinegar kills plants in hours - although they will grow back in a few weeks if you don't yank out the dead plants.

Edited by - rwshade on 06/12/2019 19:43:55

Jun 13, 2019 - 8:44:46 AM

mander

USA

3371 posts since 10/7/2007

quote:
Originally posted by rwshade

You want to drip that water - and it doesn't have to be in a hurry. I used to use the same technique when I lived in a different climate.

Go to Duck-Duck-Go (or Google if you like being tracked) and look up micro-drip irrigation. Done correctly it can produce freakishly good results. There are adjustable water flow controllers as well as variously-sized drip emitters.

Tell the maintenance folk that real humans are now winning large lawsuits against the makers of Round-Up for cancer events. Ask to see their maintenance worker liability policy. It better have lots of zeros in it.

Spraying straight white distilled vinegar kills plants in hours - although they will grow back in a few weeks if you don't yank out the dead plants.


Yeah, there I am working in Paradise and the three man spray crew shows up. I don't want to work there anymore... but, I said I'd get it to the point I could bow out.

You might rethink that duckduckgo is somehow more private. I went there, signed up, was surprised to find it was free, but thought, okay. I did a search to find out my political news for the day, and the top site displayed was Amazon advertising gardening equipment. Hmmm, what  does that have  to do with  politics? First time I'd seen that. My guess is, duckduckgo is just slicker at keeping the competition from seeing your history. It is probably a subsidary of Amazon.

Jun 13, 2019 - 9:14:42 AM

rwshade

USA

67 posts since 4/4/2010

Nope - not an affiliate of Amazon.

DDG isn't ad-free by default and has never claimed to be that way.

The difference is that ads are shown solely based on your search term instead of basing them on your previous searches + the search term.

If they're bothering you, you can turn them off in the settings. Beware that there's no account to sync the settings. Instead, they're saved a cookie (and deleted once you delete the cookies).

DDG is also completely anonymous,

Jun 13, 2019 - 9:18:23 AM
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rwshade

USA

67 posts since 4/4/2010

I just tried the same thing and got ads for political sites. You must have some persistent cookies installed by Google - have you set your browser options to delete cookies and empty cache when you close it?

Jun 13, 2019 - 3:14:14 PM
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Owen

Canada

3495 posts since 6/5/2011

quote:
Originally posted by mander

<snip>   The leeks are loving it, everything else is drowning.

Suggestions?


Just two: (a) maintain the amount going on the leeks,  and (b) reduce the amount going to the other stuff.  devil

Jun 13, 2019 - 3:21:06 PM

mander

USA

3371 posts since 10/7/2007

quote:
Originally posted by rwshade

I just tried the same thing and got ads for political sites. You must have some persistent cookies installed by Google - have you set your browser options to delete cookies and empty cache when you close it?


How do you do that?

Jun 13, 2019 - 7:23:14 PM

bubbalouie

Canada

12305 posts since 9/27/2007

Go to a hydroponic store near you. Tell them you want to grow vegetables. 

Once they believe that's what you want to do they could help you out.

Most hydro gardens are all one vegetable like greens & lettuce.

You can't grow a few radishes & green onions & maybe some shelling peas & some green & yellow beans like you could in your own backyard , deck or balcony.

All that heat, humidity, nutrients & light can grow algae & mold & plug up those little lines & cause a flood.

All those wires,pumps timers & water don't get along very good either.

Plain old dirt & sunshine is the best for veggies. If you want specialize in a single crop hydro can work.

Jun 14, 2019 - 6:12:05 AM

mander

USA

3371 posts since 10/7/2007

quote:
Originally posted by rwshade

Nope - not an affiliate of Amazon.

DDG isn't ad-free by default and has never claimed to be that way.

The difference is that ads are shown solely based on your search term instead of basing them on your previous searches + the search term.

If they're bothering you, you can turn them off in the settings. Beware that there's no account to sync the settings. Instead, they're saved a cookie (and deleted once you delete the cookies).

DDG is also completely anonymous,


Amazon may not "own" duckduckgo, but it clearly has Weinberg in its back pocket. According to duckduckgo, Amazon is the only retailer on the planet, nothing else comes up regardless of what I search. Nothing is free, not even a smile. A young man smiled at me once and the next thing I knew, I had three children. Most expensive smile I ever knew. ;-)

 Given that I find Beso deplorable, I think I'll go back to Google where I at least can find retailers that are not directly linked to Amazon.

Jun 14, 2019 - 6:23:59 AM

mander

USA

3371 posts since 10/7/2007

quote:
Originally posted by bubbalouie

Go to a hydroponic store near you. Tell them you want to grow vegetables. 

Once they believe that's what you want to do they could help you out.

Most hydro gardens are all one vegetable like greens & lettuce.

You can't grow a few radishes & green onions & maybe some shelling peas & some green & yellow beans like you could in your own backyard , deck or balcony.

All that heat, humidity, nutrients & light can grow algae & mold & plug up those little lines & cause a flood.

All those wires,pumps timers & water don't get along very good either.

Plain old dirt & sunshine is the best for veggies. If you want specialize in a single crop hydro can work.

 


Years ago, there used to be a hydroponic store near me, but they were on the shady side. They were rude and indifferent and went out of their way to blatantly ignore me. I thought, what is their problem? Don't they want to sell their stuff? I'm not good enough to wait on? They truly acted as if I were invisible, not responding to a single question I asked. I went to their website and it had porn on it. A religious enterprise bought the shopping mall their store was in, next thing I knew, they were gone.

Yeah, I'm more into dry gardening or permaculture than hydroponics. My client wants to be able to go out and pick vegetables straight from her garden, but she's out of town a lot. I was there yesterday and if she doesn't pick her cucumbers soon, they'll turn bitter and stop producing. Her dreams don't fit her life style.

Jun 14, 2019 - 9:10:53 PM

bubbalouie

Canada

12305 posts since 9/27/2007

I know what you mean about shady hydro stores.

No matter how bad your soil is you can change it to grow food & herbs.

Every year I say "I give up!" Then I get a bumper crop of garlic or some giant daikon radishes. Too many tomatoes or peppers. Birds are eating my strawberries now..

We are having Juneuary here .It's always colder than May & then we kick into drought #4 season .

I have 8 tomatoes & 4 peppers in pots that are cringing from the cold now. They are flowering too early.

Tomatoes don't like nightime temps under 10*C. When it warms up all the the plants get thirsty. If we can keep the water to them we'll have some to give away.

I have 4, four foot rows of carrots of different kinds up. One row I re- seeded that didn't take with the same seed.

Have to wait for the ground to warm up before I plant green & yellow beans. 

Our flowering shrubs & all our flowers are feeding the native bees, butterflies & hummingbirds in this neighbourhood.

Jun 16, 2019 - 4:11:10 AM
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RonR

USA

1415 posts since 11/29/2012

The hydro store near here only sells through their website .I think its geared to weed growers. My peppers and tomatoes look small and stringy this year, but already have tomatoes and peppers on.




Jun 16, 2019 - 5:03:56 AM
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mander

USA

3371 posts since 10/7/2007

quote:
Originally posted by bubbalouie

I know what you mean about shady hydro stores.

No matter how bad your soil is you can change it to grow food & herbs.

Every year I say "I give up!" Then I get a bumper crop of garlic or some giant daikon radishes. Too many tomatoes or peppers. Birds are eating my strawberries now..

We are having Juneuary here .It's always colder than May & then we kick into drought #4 season .

I have 8 tomatoes & 4 peppers in pots that are cringing from the cold now. They are flowering too early.

Tomatoes don't like nightime temps under 10*C. When it warms up all the the plants get thirsty. If we can keep the water to them we'll have some to give away.

I have 4, four foot rows of carrots of different kinds up. One row I re- seeded that didn't take with the same seed.

Have to wait for the ground to warm up before I plant green & yellow beans. 

Our flowering shrubs & all our flowers are feeding the native bees, butterflies & hummingbirds in this neighbourhood.


I like your term "Juneary". Portland weather is like that, too. Last week we had a heat wave, and this morning is cold enough that we started a fire in the fire place.

My grandmother was a green bean farmer for Santiam. My soil won't grow a bean to save my life. Too heavy in clay, and too much clover residue from the previous lawn. I forget the name of the fungus, but it doesn't show up until the weather turns hot, then blam-o! The crop is wiped out.

I have good success with peppers, tomatoes, potatoes, onions, leeks, shallots, corn, and squashes. I want to grow melons, but the deer eat all the blossoms off. I hate the idea of spending two to three hundred dollars for netting to keep the deer away. Makes for mighty expensive cantaloupe. 

We have more and more birds every year. Loving it!

Jun 16, 2019 - 6:07:05 AM
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bubbalouie

Canada

12305 posts since 9/27/2007

Mander  I imagine our coastal weather is much the same. We are only a couple of miles from the saltchuck so we get massive fog banks in august. We call that month Faugust! It's a joke around town here.

Once the air starts to warm up it interacts with the cooler water of the The Juan de Fuca Strait & cools us all off again!

Tomatoes don't like fog or marine air as we call it. If we can get them over that hump too then we can ripen them up in September if the rains don't start too early. Sure, you can buy 'em but like Guy Clark says " There ain't nothin' better'n home grown tomatoes" 

Clover is a nitrogen fixer & beans are too & they don't like too much nitrogen . Go figure.

Ron You're making me feel better about my tomatoes & peppers up here in the cool blue north. j/k. cheeky

I'm getting some flowers on both but the peppers are compact with lots of dark green leaves.

Those are some nice raised beds!  I like your use of Hostas . We have a few in pots but I'd like to plant a row like that along our cedar fence where it is awkward to mow & weed eat.

Some people might laugh at our endeavors but like the "Bee keeper" joke of the guy that kept bees in jars on a shelf in his basement comes to mind. When asked if the bees would die he said ... " Screw 'em it's only a hobby!" 

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