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May 26, 2019 - 5:36:19 PM
5060 posts since 10/13/2007

For discussion:
We have several Hangout members who openly advocate for drug usage. Should it be the policy of the Hangout to not allow comments like this? Do we have a responsibility to the young and the impressionable that come on here that we keep this drug advocacy off the Hangout?
What are your thoughts as to what the Hangout policy on this should be?
Thanks for considering,
Ken

May 26, 2019 - 5:40:33 PM
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GStump

USA

255 posts since 9/12/2006

I'm totally against drug use, or advocating for drug use. I DO assume by this topic you are referring to "illegal" drug use. No doubt there are forums that would allow it, and are even dedicated to it. Nothing is sacred at all anymore. Therefore I think it should not be allowed here - so, a blanket NO.

May 26, 2019 - 5:48:43 PM

5060 posts since 10/13/2007

Gregg, That is part of the question. My thoughts were any drug use outside of what is sold at a pharmacy.
ken

May 26, 2019 - 6:38:16 PM
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Brian T

Canada

15502 posts since 6/5/2008

Start by naming them and enough with the inuendo.
Drug abuse does not end at either side of the drug store door.
Cannabis.
Fentanyl.
ASA aspirin.

May 26, 2019 - 6:42:21 PM
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96 posts since 3/7/2019

I say if it is illegally or immoral it shouldn't be allowed. We have a responsibility to be positive influences on younger people and kids. There's a time and place for everything and a banjo forum don't seem like the place for advocating illegal street drugs. But that's only my opinion.

May 26, 2019 - 7:05 PM

3788 posts since 11/29/2005

Ah, but Cannabis is determined legal or illegal by State. How would that be enforced?
(Assuming the poster/commenter is located in the USA)

May 26, 2019 - 7:13:08 PM
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21 posts since 3/18/2019

This site is dedicated to banjos and the styles of playing...not about drugs illegal or otherwise. Anything other than that should be banned..blocked and terminated

May 26, 2019 - 7:27:01 PM
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Mooooo

USA

6910 posts since 8/20/2016

You will be surprised at the drugs they sell at the pharmacy. My friend's father had Cocaine on hand, Weed, Oxy, Opium...lots of stuff. I wouldn't make too big a deal about people discussing illegal drugs, there will always be pros and cons, but it's better not to clutter up the place with so many rules. They'll get out of hand and soon we'll only be able to talk about vanilla ice cream and chocolate cake until someone finds a way to make them about drugs or racism.

May 26, 2019 - 7:33:04 PM

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Advocating drinking,smoking anything or drugs should not be done,around youth in their formative years .Saying one does any of'' that'' in a passing comment is a great gray area with each case having it's own context.
Next lets go after liars,braggers ,suck ups,hermits that don't bathe etc.Just kidding

May 26, 2019 - 7:34:35 PM

364 posts since 5/19/2018

November
Oscar

May 26, 2019 - 7:37:44 PM

mdthib

Hong Kong

512 posts since 8/22/2013

I say: Let he who is without spliff throw the first bone.

And: granted that drugs can be horribly destructive, this seems like something best handled on a case-by-case basis (pun intended) rather than through rules.

May 26, 2019 - 7:42:28 PM
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55 posts since 6/2/2015

In general I haven't seen people advocating that others should do drugs. People have shared their experiences that highlight both negative and positive experiences. We allow off topic discussions and these are some of the discussions that happen, I think banning them would be bit of an over reaction.

We do ban political discussions and if these conversations around drugs get into advocating political change then they should be blocked. Sharing of personal experiences is an important part of any community and this is a topic that has a lot of different facets and is complicated (like life in general) and choices we make have consequences. So far I think the discussions have reflected the nuances and difficulties of blanket statements and blind choices.

May 26, 2019 - 8:03:15 PM

5060 posts since 10/13/2007

quote:
Originally posted by Mooooo

You will be surprised at the drugs they sell at the pharmacy. My friend's father had Cocaine on hand, Weed, Oxy, Opium...lots of stuff. I wouldn't make too big a deal about people discussing illegal drugs, there will always be pros and cons, but it's better not to clutter up the place with so many rules. They'll get out of hand and soon we'll only be able to talk about vanilla ice cream and chocolate cake until someone finds a way to make them about drugs or racism.


Moo,

There are a lot of drugs, the sell at the pharmacy. That is why it is often called a drug store.wink But usually, when people get them there, it is for a medical condition and for a limited time. Must would consider using these drugs as pathway to good health and it is not recreational or abusive use. Of course, there are exceptions of someone working the system or the odd doctor who needs to write script to make a living.

And my question was not about the discussion of  illegal drugs but rather about advocating for their use.

ken

May 26, 2019 - 8:35:10 PM

96 posts since 3/7/2019

Saying, I tried _____ and ______ happened is one thing. But if someone is straight up promoting, glorifying, or advocating illegal drugs and trying to convince others to do drugs. I would think it shouldn't be allowed. Drugs are one of those things that can be a life saving miracle or a powerful addiction that tares famiies apart and destroys your whole world. Or anything in between. I've scene it all. 

Edited by - Tyler Basho on 05/26/2019 20:36:50

May 26, 2019 - 9:46:19 PM
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Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

22009 posts since 6/25/2005

Note that any argument to legalize drugs is per se political and would be locked.

May 27, 2019 - 3:19:43 AM
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268 posts since 3/12/2014

My brother in law has been missing since Nov. 23, 2018. His start drug was weed. He graduated to Oxys then Heroin. He is either dead or in some dark place no one should be. We would just like to know where.

Obvious - I am not the right person to ask about illegal drug usage. It should not be advertised anywhere.

We have been living in this hell for six months - or all our lives since he started as a teenager. Take your pick.

...Deb

Edited by - debmurphy1 on 05/27/2019 03:20:51

May 27, 2019 - 4:45:51 AM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

22910 posts since 8/3/2003

Many years ago we'd shut down any thread that dealt with marijuana because it was an illegal drug. Nowadays, so many states have made it legal, that we no longer immediately lock/hide a thread, but watch to be sure it doesn't get political or controversial; i.e., people start flaming each other for their beliefs.

As far as young kids, teens reading about it on the Hangout, if they're on the internet, they probably read a lot worse than what's on here.

I don't think more rules would be in order. Hopefully, we mods can make a decision as to whether the subject is getting political or flaming and take care of it on a case by case basis, at least until Eric tells us to do it differently.

May 27, 2019 - 6:56:50 AM
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Well said Sherry, and remember, the hangout is a global community, there are many countries that have legalized marijuana for many different uses. Some medicinal, some recreational.

May 27, 2019 - 9:10:10 AM
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55 posts since 6/2/2015

Agreed - Well said Sherry and thanks Dave for the reminder that the glory of Banjo is worldwide.

Deb - I am truly sorry for what you are going through and thank you for weighing in and sharing. this is a really challenging topic that has deep implications for so many people.

May 27, 2019 - 9:38:32 AM
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5060 posts since 10/13/2007

Sherry,
Thank you for the clarification on Hangout policy.
ken

May 27, 2019 - 2:11:29 PM
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857 posts since 6/6/2008

just because something is 'legal', doesn't make it smart.

May 27, 2019 - 2:51:25 PM
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Lynne (Moderator)

USA

4937 posts since 3/3/2003

And yet we have no one suggesting we block out alcohol discussions.

How many people here know an alcoholic or are one?
I know many more alcoholics then drug addicts.

May 27, 2019 - 3:53:43 PM

5060 posts since 10/13/2007

quote:
Originally posted by Lynne

And yet we have no one suggesting we block out alcohol discussions.

How many people here know an alcoholic or are one?
I know many more alcoholics then drug addicts.


Lynne,

Alcohol is firmly entrenched in our society by law and custom and has been so in many cultures for many many centuries. In schools there are numerous anti alcohol programs and mothers against drunk driving. I have not seen that much misinformation on the hangout regarding the perils and dangers of alcohol. But I have seen a lot of denial and misinformation about drugs and pot here on the hangout. And I hear it spread here on a regular basis. Do you know that even sporadic use of pot for people under 25 causes permanent brain damage? Our society is in the midst of introducing a new legal evil into our culture and many say, well what about alcohol. I never understood justifying a second bad because there is a first bad. Our society  has legal tobacco and has to raise lots of many to cure people of nicotine addiction. Now we want to legalize pot at the state level, despite it being illegal on a federal basis, and I believe it will cause a host of problems on our citizens the like of which the sober will have to pay for.

Lynne, you say: "How many people here know an alcoholic or are one?
I know many more alcoholics then drug addicts."

I see that statement as havering no relevance but  only having dangerous implications of implying don't worry about drugs. I don't think you are advocating the temperance movement again and I hope you are not minimizing the horrendous effects of drugs on the northeast.

I will tell you that I coached at the college level for over 30 years and I saw pot mess with guys a lot worse than alcohol and it was harder to control than alcohol from a coaching standpoint. In either case, we advocated abstinence.

Ken

May 27, 2019 - 4:16:38 PM
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Lynne (Moderator)

USA

4937 posts since 3/3/2003

I’ve seen discussions on here about playing while intoxicated and many of us have seen obvious postings by people who are intoxicated but laugh it off cause “he’s a nice guy”
I did not imply that we shouldn’t worry about drugs, but not all people who use drugs become addicted not all people who smoke pot go on to bigger better things anymore than everyone who drinks will turn into an alcoholic
I grew up up with an alcoholic in the house, my 2 best friends had alcoholic parents so obviously I have a big issue with drunks and how they affect other people.
Sorry but I would much rather hang with pot smokers then drunks

Just because something is firmly entrenched into our society does not make it good or healthy for us.

In my opinion it is hypocritical to worry about blocking drug discussions while talking about how much fun it is to play the banjo drunk or funny to post while drunk. In my opinion if we are talking about corrupting young people then we should block discussions of both.
And what the hell, smoking is not only bad for us but addicting, so let’s block that too

May 27, 2019 - 4:50:49 PM

5060 posts since 10/13/2007

quote:
Originally posted by Lynne

I’ve seen discussions on here about playing while intoxicated and many of us have seen obvious postings by people who are intoxicated but laugh it off cause “he’s a nice guy”
I did not imply that we shouldn’t worry about drugs, but not all people who use drugs become addicted not all people who smoke pot go on to bigger better things anymore than everyone who drinks will turn into an alcoholic
I grew up up with an alcoholic in the house, my 2 best friends had alcoholic parents so obviously I have a big issue with drunks and how they affect other people.
Sorry but I would much rather hang with pot smokers then drunks

Just because something is firmly entrenched into our society does not make it good or healthy for us.

In my opinion it is hypocritical to worry about blocking drug discussions while talking about how much fun it is to play the banjo drunk or funny to post while drunk. In my opinion if we are talking about corrupting young people then we should block discussions of both.
And what the hell, smoking is not only bad for us but addicting, so let’s block that too


Lets be clear here Lynn, you have never seen me advocate drinking here and I am the one advocating blocking drug discussions. So if you are accusing  me of hypocrisy here, You are wrong. And that is what it sounds like to me.

I was always taught to not let perfect be the enemy of good or better. Just because I am not advocating in this thread against tobacco  use or against alcohol or against gluttony does not mean it is wrong for me to advocate against what is going on with pot. I meet and work with many kids a week. I see this misinformation about this stuff accepted as truth and I need to fight it regularly so kids are not hurt. And I have seen them hurt and I talk against alcohol also.

My point about something being entrenched in our society did not say and was not meant to say it is good and healthy. It is meant to say that it was harder to change. Therefore work on and change the things we have the best chance to for the betterment of society. What is wrong with that?

Personally, I don't hang with either pot smokers or drunks. With both it is like being alone. We don't have to set as goals the lowest common denominator.

And yes Lynne you are absolutely right because some drink and some weed does not mean that they will go onto addiction in their choice of substance. But because it is allowed, it is guaranteed that some will. And those that do will have harmful effects upon themselves, their family, their friends, and strangers.

Ken

May 27, 2019 - 5:29:31 PM
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This will probably step on toes and I may get a nasty-gram from the moderators but maybe a few will get to read this: Normalizing poor behavior causes society to decline. Disagree? Here's an example: Somewhere along the way, alcohol abuse has been re-defined as a 'disease'. It's not a disease...it's a choice people make...many abuse, then become hooked and their body and minds become dependent and it has lasting impacts. Thereby it becomes a weakness which society has to put up with - again, a weakness which causes a civilized society to decline. The impact to families, lives, and the literal cost with the "I didn't think _____ (fill in the blank), yet somehow these same people who cause this pain and suffering to others can't get past themselves and will at some point claim they are the victims. Sound familiar? Victim of what? It's a weakness and it really all boils down to two things. Poor choices and self esteem. It's the inability to come to the realization that reality 'is'....and not what you perceive. Trying to change reality with chemicals only hurts ...everyone ultimately. You normalize the behavior, it will cause society to decline. Smoking, no different. Just another substance that controls you- owns you....and it creates mental and physical weakness.

Here on Memorial Day I read The pentagon released a study recently that says approximately 71% of the 34 million 17-to-24-year-olds in the U.S. would not qualify for military service because of reasons related to health, drug use, obesity and educational background. That's just the 'youth', I wonder how that percentage would jump if you added fighting age 25-40 year olds?
Compare that to the WWII generation. Look how American society as devolved just in 70 years (what's that, 3 generations?). Everything a person does is ultimately defined by the choices they make and what you allow into your brain. Developers will understand this phrase. "garbage in - garbage out".

We all have freedom in the USA - which many hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people have fought and died for - not only for the USA but other countries too. All so that we can make choices. It's my sincerest hope and prayer that people would come to understand the human body is an incredible creation and every one of us has the ability to do far more than we think we can..but it requires good choices. It's never too late to start! Everything...and I mean everything you and I do has an impact.

It was not my desire to offend and I hold no malice, just stating historical perspective, personal observation, and reality.

-be blessed!

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