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May 25, 2019 - 9:01:54 PM
8 posts since 2/26/2014

Hi Y'all,
I installed a Schatten BJ-02 on my banjo and for tha life of me, I can't get it to not sound tinny.....I'm playing it through a Fender Acoustasonic 90. I understand that it's a passive pickup....do I need a preamp to make the sound more natural? If so, can anyone suggest a fairly economical preamp for me to use for live sound?
thanks and yerz trooly,
Ellen Moseley

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May 28, 2019 - 7:53:47 AM

PeterJ

USA

1544 posts since 3/11/2004

Hi, Ellen - yes, a preamp could help. Not only will it boost the signal, it will help with matching the impedance of the pickup to the amp, which should also help the tone (you’ll see this same thing happen with acoustic guitars that have under saddle pickups but no preamp).

Economical is relative, but you could look for a used acoustic guitar preamp from LR Baggs or Fishman - or even the Schatten mini pre - here on BHO or on reverb or eBay. 

Edited by - PeterJ on 05/28/2019 07:58:55

May 29, 2019 - 8:33:02 AM

8 posts since 2/26/2014

Hi Peter,

  Thanks for responding to my post....I'll check out your suggestions! I'm not a great banjo player, by any stretch of the imagination....heck, some could even say I'm not a good player. But I know what sounds good to me and I strive towards sounding as good as I can. I actually play a righty banjo up-side-down (that 5th. string nut is a trouble maker!)

You can sample my playin' here if ya care to:

Nowheresville

Swallowtail Kite

Don't You Go

These are all mic-ed recordings, btw....

 thanks again,

    Ellen

May 29, 2019 - 8:58:51 AM

raybob

USA

13364 posts since 12/11/2003

I have the same pickup and I run mine through an LR Baggs Para Acoustic DI. I also have an older Fender Acoustasonic, and I think it sounds fine.

May 29, 2019 - 9:18:07 AM

PeterJ

USA

1544 posts since 3/11/2004

Ellen - I really like your music AND your playing! You've got a great, authentic sound that I've never been able to get (I'm more of an Americana/Rock player). I can't believe you've got your banjo flipped over like that -- but you've made it work!

BTW, I use a Fishman pickup with a Radial PZ-Deluxe preamp. Even used, it was a bit pricey, but it sounds great in a band context (with drums, bass, electric guitar).

Peter

May 29, 2019 - 4:15:03 PM
Players Union Member

rudy

USA

14249 posts since 3/27/2004

quote:
Originally posted by emoseley

Hi Y'all,
I installed a Schatten BJ-02 on my banjo and for tha life of me, I can't get it to not sound tinny.....I'm playing it through a Fender Acoustasonic 90. I understand that it's a passive pickup....do I need a preamp to make the sound more natural? If so, can anyone suggest a fairly economical preamp for me to use for live sound?
thanks and yerz trooly,
Ellen Moseley

Ellen Moseley on Soundclick.com


If you want to test the preamp waters you can try the Behringer DI / pre.  At $30 it's a low risk investment and I can tell you that it works well at solving piezo mismatch issues.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ADI21--behringer-adi21-v-tone-acoustic-driver-di-pedal?mrkgcl=28&mrkgadid=3303548610&rkg_id=0&product_id=ADI21&campaigntype=shopping&campaign=aaShopping%20-%20SKU%20-%20Guitars&adgroup=Guitar%20Pedals%20%26%20Effects%20-%20Behringer%20-%20adi21&placement=google&adpos=1o1&creative=285729057742&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CjwKCAjw27jnBRBuEiwAdjQXDImSEXCX3Pu59w43y2QAwRMlpQhoOuZ3coXgAV5ncizUd7cvSOhXvBoC0jQQAvD_BwE

It actually gets good reviews by many users.

Edited by - rudy on 05/29/2019 16:15:52

May 29, 2019 - 7:53:03 PM

8 posts since 2/26/2014

Peter, thank you so much for listening and the very kind words about my music! I like that you call my sound "authentic", as that's the kind of folks I like to listen to. Didn't write a song until I was 45 and now at 60, have quite a few. I also play the guitar and ukulele up-side down....tried tp play the piano that way, but it kept falling on top of me....heh heh....thank you for your encouragement. It is greatly appreciated.

Hi raybob! Thanks for responding....I checked out the LR Baggs Para Acoustic DI at Reverb....they have one in excellent condition for a decent price. Still doing mah homework on this stuff, but appreciate your input!

Hay Rudy! Thanks for the suggestion and link to the Behringer DI / pre ....since I'm not exactly what you would call a proficient player, this unit sounds like a great way to enhance what I can do at this point (my strength is my lyric writing). I feel pretty good about Behringer products mahself.....they might not be top of the line, but they get the job done for a fair price.

Jun 5, 2019 - 11:12:20 AM

8 posts since 2/26/2014

quote:
Originally posted by rudy
quote:
Originally posted by emoseley

Hi Y'all,
I installed a Schatten BJ-02 on my banjo and for tha life of me, I can't get it to not sound tinny.....I'm playing it through a Fender Acoustasonic 90. I understand that it's a passive pickup....do I need a preamp to make the sound more natural? If so, can anyone suggest a fairly economical preamp for me to use for live sound?
thanks and yerz trooly,
Ellen Moseley

Ellen Moseley on Soundclick.com


If you want to test the preamp waters you can try the Behringer DI / pre.  At $30 it's a low risk investment and I can tell you that it works well at solving piezo mismatch issues.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ADI21--behringer-adi21-v-tone-acoustic-driver-di-pedal?mrkgcl=28&mrkgadid=3303548610&rkg_id=0&product_id=ADI21&campaigntype=shopping&campaign=aaShopping%20-%20SKU%20-%20Guitars&adgroup=Guitar%20Pedals%20%26%20Effects%20-%20Behringer%20-%20adi21&placement=google&adpos=1o1&creative=285729057742&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CjwKCAjw27jnBRBuEiwAdjQXDImSEXCX3Pu59w43y2QAwRMlpQhoOuZ3coXgAV5ncizUd7cvSOhXvBoC0jQQAvD_BwE

It actually gets good reviews by many users.


I ended up getting this Behringer you suggested, rudy.....very pleased with it! Works perfectly with the Schatten BJ-02. Mah banjo sounds like a banjo now when I plug in...as opposed to sounding like a cross between a tin can and a harpsichord!

Jun 5, 2019 - 12:36:27 PM
Players Union Member

rudy

USA

14249 posts since 3/27/2004

quote:
Originally posted by emoseley
quote:
Originally posted by rudy
quote:
Originally posted by emoseley

Hi Y'all,
I installed a Schatten BJ-02 on my banjo and for tha life of me, I can't get it to not sound tinny.....I'm playing it through a Fender Acoustasonic 90. I understand that it's a passive pickup....do I need a preamp to make the sound more natural? If so, can anyone suggest a fairly economical preamp for me to use for live sound?
thanks and yerz trooly,
Ellen Moseley

Ellen Moseley on Soundclick.com


If you want to test the preamp waters you can try the Behringer DI / pre.  At $30 it's a low risk investment and I can tell you that it works well at solving piezo mismatch issues.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ADI21--behringer-adi21-v-tone-acoustic-driver-di-pedal?mrkgcl=28&mrkgadid=3303548610&rkg_id=0&product_id=ADI21&campaigntype=shopping&campaign=aaShopping%20-%20SKU%20-%20Guitars&adgroup=Guitar%20Pedals%20%26%20Effects%20-%20Behringer%20-%20adi21&placement=google&adpos=1o1&creative=285729057742&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CjwKCAjw27jnBRBuEiwAdjQXDImSEXCX3Pu59w43y2QAwRMlpQhoOuZ3coXgAV5ncizUd7cvSOhXvBoC0jQQAvD_BwE

It actually gets good reviews by many users.


I ended up getting this Behringer you suggested, rudy.....very pleased with it! Works perfectly with the Schatten BJ-02. Mah banjo sounds like a banjo now when I plug in...as opposed to sounding like a cross between a tin can and a harpsichord!


Glad to hear it's working for you.

Nine times out of ten poor piezo-based transducer sound is due to impedance matching.  It's dependent upon the input impedance of whatever you are plugging into and the capacitance of the cable used between instrument and that device, whatever it might be.  Usually pre-amp use will solve that.

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