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Feb 11, 2019 - 8:30:20 PM
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Mooooo

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I have seen way too many fires being started by bad guys on the TV and at the movies, by a guy with a gallon of gasoline and a Zippo lighter. He douses the place with gas, then lights the lighter, and throws it on the gas and walks calmly away. Do fingerprints burn away or is this some common oversight, or maybe some way to trick an arsonist into leaving evidence behind? Whatever the case, every time I see it, I miss a lot of the plot due to distraction.

Edited by - Mooooo on 02/11/2019 20:46:12

Feb 11, 2019 - 9:06:14 PM
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chuckv97

Canada

37997 posts since 10/5/2013

Mike,, slowly, and I mean slowly, get up off your chair and quietly step away from your computer......

Feb 12, 2019 - 4:29:19 AM
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figmo59

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28502 posts since 3/5/2008

Geese ?..I don't know about that...

But the same thing happens to me when....

The seens of the cowboy Is shovin a fuse inta ah stick of dynamite..
Lightin It n...it blows up the whole town.....


What I wanna know is...
Why he don't need a blastin cap..?...(guess I been wastin $ on them fer years now..) N...
Where can I got some of that Mega Powerfull dynamite...? :0/

Feb 12, 2019 - 5:57:24 AM

50478 posts since 12/14/2005

Why would anybody throw away a perfectly good ZIPPO (TM) lighter?

I don't even smoke, and I kept Irene's.And she's been dead these dozen years.

Feb 12, 2019 - 6:05:27 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Mooooo

I have seen way too many fires being started by bad guys on the TV and at the movies, by a guy with a gallon of gasoline and a Zippo lighter. He douses the place with gas, then lights the lighter, and throws it on the gas and walks calmly away. Do fingerprints burn away or is this some common oversight, or maybe some way to trick an arsonist into leaving evidence behind? Whatever the case, every time I see it, I miss a lot of the plot due to distraction.


Forget the zippo, it’s so old hat.... I just shoot the gasoline can, bursts into flames every time.

Feb 12, 2019 - 6:10:12 AM
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DC5

USA

4083 posts since 6/30/2015

Back in my bar-tending days my Zippo lighter was my best friend. Quickest and sexiest way to light a patron's cigarette. I never smoked, but for many years I never left home without my trusty Zippo. Lost mine, but I have my grandfathers.

Feb 12, 2019 - 6:26:01 AM
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Trewq36

Canada

1840 posts since 11/30/2007

What's the difference between a Hippo & a Zippo?

A Hippo is really heavy, while a Zippo is a little lighter.

And before anyone asks, a Zeppo is a Comic straight man.

..you're welcome.

 

P.S.  I would think the heat of the fire would ruin any finger prints.

Edited by - Trewq36 on 02/12/2019 06:29:41

Feb 12, 2019 - 6:33:34 AM

Banjo Lefty

Canada

1443 posts since 6/19/2014

I don't think the heat alone would affect the fingerprints, but it would cause the plastic parts to melt. Metal will warp if the fire is hot enough, and of course there's the soot.

Feb 12, 2019 - 8:11:39 AM
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chuckv97

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37997 posts since 10/5/2013

Speaking of Zippo lighters. I often go up US 219 from PA to Buffalo and pass the Zippo factory in Bradford. For years I had a Zippo lighter and had the Canadian model with the Niagara Falls , Ontario stamp on the bottom. I figured they were imported, but now found out they actually manufactured them in the Falls. (ya loin sumpin’ ev’ry day)






Edited by - chuckv97 on 02/12/2019 08:16:56

Feb 12, 2019 - 8:47:56 AM
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Chuck, if you’re up that way again, I lost my raybans in the horseshoe falls. Kick around, you’ll find them. Thanks in advance. Pm me if you get them

Bruce

Feb 12, 2019 - 10:18:35 AM

68063 posts since 5/9/2007

Our only arsonist was on the fire department and lit fires so he would make $25 putting them out.

Feb 12, 2019 - 10:50:39 AM

bubbalouie

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11860 posts since 9/27/2007

I still have my old Zippo . I don't miss smoking or when it would tip over in my pocket & the fuel would burn my leg.

Feb 12, 2019 - 10:56:43 AM
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Owen

Canada

2955 posts since 6/5/2011

Bubba... why didn't you wash it off instead of torching it?  devil

Feb 12, 2019 - 10:59:59 AM
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bubbalouie

Canada

11860 posts since 9/27/2007

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This here is your ARSEinist . 

Feb 12, 2019 - 1:05:17 PM
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Mooooo

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5763 posts since 8/20/2016
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quote:
Originally posted by figmo59

Geese ?..I don't know about that...
But the same thing happens to me when....
The seens of the cowboy Is shovin a fuse inta ah stick of dynamite..
Lightin It n...it blows up the whole town.....
What I wanna know is...
Why he don't need a blastin cap..?...(guess I been wastin $ on them fer years now..) N...
Where can I got some of that Mega Powerfull dynamite...? :0/


I hate it when they dynamite a building in a movie and fireworks shoot out with the explosions....come on.

quote:
Originally posted by mike gregory

Why would anybody throw away a perfectly good ZIPPO (TM) lighter?

I don't even smoke, and I kept Irene's.And she's been dead these dozen years.


My thoughts exactly

quote:
Originally posted by Wet Spaniel

Forget the zippo, it’s so old hat.... I just shoot the gasoline can, bursts into flames every time.


There's another thing that doesn't make sense to me. I don't think bullets generally can start gas on fire. I could be wrong, but I think you would have to have a pretty lucky shot and enough spark to start the fire.

quote:
Originally posted by Banjo Lefty

I don't think the heat alone would affect the fingerprints, but it would cause the plastic parts to melt. Metal will warp if the fire is hot enough, and of course there's the soot.


I think they would probably be successful finding a print. The soot may even help. I'm no expert, but I imagine most fires don't get so hot to melt down metal...most of them anyway.

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Originally posted by steve davis

Our only arsonist was on the fire department and lit fires so he would make $25 putting them out.


That's insane.

I like to see a match. One of those wooden ones where they start out with a close-up on the tip of the match and in slow motion you see the match strike the box and then slowly soar through the air and rolling slowly to the edge of the pool of gasoline...then the domino effect of flames on gasoline engulfing the scene of the crime. Cut! That's a wrap!

Feb 12, 2019 - 1:28 PM

Brian T

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Thank the pyrotechnicians for setting it up to function. There are no retakes.

Feb 12, 2019 - 2:19:58 PM
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bubbalouie

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11860 posts since 9/27/2007

Mooooo I can see a tough guy holding a wooden match & lighting it with his thumbnail or on his front tooth!
If you hike your knee up with the right jeans on you can light one on your backside.

Feb 12, 2019 - 2:36:48 PM

Mooooo

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5763 posts since 8/20/2016
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quote:
Originally posted by bubbalouie

Mooooo I can see a tough guy holding a wooden match & lighting it with his thumbnail or on his front tooth!
If you hike your knee up with the right jeans on you can light one on your backside.


yes, those are much cooler ways of lighting a fire than wasting a perfectly good Zippo. How about on a tough guys beard (think 5 o'clock shadow)?

Feb 12, 2019 - 3:09:50 PM
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rinemb

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10760 posts since 5/24/2005

Ok, I will offer a once studied opinion, based on the college classes I took in criminal investigation. Answer is...it depends ...and, yes possibly. Many factors, including in part, fire temp, humidities, make up of latent print material...oil verses water. Was the print transferred after eating fried chicken or after a recent shower etc. Soot materials. Time lighter was in fire. That said, I never practiced for a living crime scene investigation. Also, just don't get this at home. Brad

Feb 12, 2019 - 6:15:54 PM

2592 posts since 10/17/2009

quote:
Originally posted by Wet Spaniel
 

Forget the zippo, it’s so old hat.... I just shoot the gasoline can, bursts into flames every time.


Yep, shooting the tank of gasoline, works every time... on TV and in movies. Makes good visual, especially when car blows up.

What would likely really happen wouldn't be very interesting.

Similar to the OP... it's TV/movie; dwelling on if every detail is accurate might be less entertaining.

Edited by - banjoak on 02/12/2019 18:24:50

Feb 12, 2019 - 6:30 PM
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Tobus

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1755 posts since 11/17/2015

quote:
Originally posted by bubbalouie

I still have my old Zippo . I don't miss smoking or when it would tip over in my pocket & the fuel would burn my leg.

 


Oh, man... I carried Zippos for years, and still have them all.  I also still have the scar on my right hip from the fluid leaking out while carrying it in the change pocket of my Levi's 501s, pretty much melting my skin and turning it into one big blister.  Ah, good times...

Nothing is cooler than the well-practiced use of a Zippo.  I'd hold it with my thumb underneath and first two fingers on top, just squeezing it sharply to snap it open, and it would magically end up open and in a position to flick the wheel with my index finger.  Then a sharp whip with the wrist to close it.  I was way cooler than all those guys with their dorky Bics!

Feb 12, 2019 - 6:35:45 PM

Mooooo

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5763 posts since 8/20/2016
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quote:
Originally posted by Tobus

Nothing is cooler than the well-practiced use of a Zippo.  I'd hold it with my thumb underneath and first two fingers on top, just squeezing it sharply to snap it open, and it would magically end up open and in a position to flick the wheel with my index finger.  Then a sharp whip with the wrist to close it.  I was way cooler than all those guys with their dorky Bics!


After you open it like that, it's cool to light it by snapping your fingers and lighting it with the middle finger as it snaps down. But you have to make the motion fluid. Open it with a squeeze, light it with a snap. 

Feb 13, 2019 - 8:44:27 PM

50478 posts since 12/14/2005

There was a TV series about an ex-CIA agent who has all kinds of adventures.
He narrates what's going on.
In one episode, he outright says
"Shooting a bullet into a gas tank usually won't set it on fire, but if you hang a bag of..." ( and I wasn't taking notes, but he named some powdery stuff that they showed hanging under the truck)

And it blowed up REEEEEAL good!

Feb 14, 2019 - 4:47:05 AM
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rinemb

USA

10760 posts since 5/24/2005

for as long as there was the modern style zippo, our company gave away Zippo lighters with the company logo on them. I still have a couple lying around. Every once in a while somebody will find one at a garage sale or flea market and give me it.

Also, when they came out, we did same with the Zippo "tape measurer". they were small like the lighter with a 6' tape. Then a bigger were came out and handed out those as well.

I remember folks thinking a Zippo was pretty special.....Brad

Feb 14, 2019 - 5:12:59 AM

Tobus

USA

1755 posts since 11/17/2015

Vintage Zippos are starting to become real collectibles.  So hang onto your old Zippos, especially if they are unique or have marketing logos on them.

One especially hot up-and-coming collectibles market is for personalized military unit Zippos.  Some of you may recall that this was very popular in the '60s and '70s.  I have my late father's Zippo with custom "Pair-O-Dice" badges on it from the USAF 90th Tactical Fighter Squadron, the unit he served in while in Vietnam.  I wouldn't sell it for the world, but I'm told that these sorts of items are rising in value.

Feb 14, 2019 - 5:56:55 PM

mander

USA

2770 posts since 10/7/2007

quote:
Originally posted by steve davis

Our only arsonist was on the fire department and lit fires so he would make $25 putting them out.


Sadly, we've had forest fires attributed to fire fighters. It only takes one to make it bad for everyone else.

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