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Jun 14, 2018 - 9:29:22 AM
7905 posts since 1/15/2005

Pretty brutal conditions out on on Long Island .....some pretty big scores by some of the favorites. Jason Day +9, Mickelson +5, Bubba Watson +10, Rory McIlroy +9 .....should be worse by the time Tiger tees off!

Jun 16, 2018 - 12:09:06 PM

HarleyQ

USA

2802 posts since 1/31/2005

Golf is so much more enjoyable when you get to watch the majority of the field!!yes

Jun 16, 2018 - 12:30:31 PM

4277 posts since 9/5/2006

they said phil had a melt down,,, hate i miss it



terry m

Jun 16, 2018 - 2:46:47 PM

7905 posts since 1/15/2005

I've sen that happen once before (beside John Daly) when the Open was at The Olympic Club where the slope of the putting surface on the 17th hole (I think() kept returning the ball from where it was putted. Kirk Triplett took a two stroke penalty by tapping the ball in the cup once it got close enough but was about to turn around and come back down the slope. Zach Johnson thinks the USGA has kind of let this golf course get a little over the line as far as letting it dry out and get too firm and fast.

Jun 16, 2018 - 5:12:28 PM

dawgdoc

USA

8705 posts since 8/25/2004

So John,
I've been really busy and haven't had much time to turn it at all and am a solidly novice golfer, but what's going on when multiple players shot in the 60s on day two and 80s on day three. Seems to me the only logical changes would be drying out or wicked crazy cup placement. I'll try to catch some late tonight on the golf channel.

[edit: or weather of course]

Edited by - dawgdoc on 06/16/2018 17:14:28

Jun 16, 2018 - 7:14:16 PM

1251 posts since 2/16/2017

USGA always pushes it for the open but this one seems to have gotten away from them a bit. These conditions combined with that length? Whew.

Jun 16, 2018 - 7:32:25 PM

7905 posts since 1/15/2005

quote:
Originally posted by dawgdoc

So John,
I've been really busy and haven't had much time to turn it at all and am a solidly novice golfer, but what's going on when multiple players shot in the 60s on day two and 80s on day three. Seems to me the only logical changes would be drying out or wicked crazy cup placement. I'll try to catch some late tonight on the golf channel.

[edit: or weather of course]


DD .... you have it about right.  Only about 3 greens today had wicked flagstick placements, but combined with the course drying out, it made conditions very difficult.  Part of the problem is you just can't set the course up based on how the conditions might change, although if you know they are going to change significantly they should have taken that into consideration.  Professional golfers know exactly how far they hit each club (shot).  The way you challenge them is to make it a guessing game as to where those shots will stop.  The only real way to do that is create firm and fast conditions.  Therefore, if they hit a 9 iron 150 yards in the air, is it going to stop in 10' or 50'?  For fairly soft greens it is going to be 10' (or they may even back the ball up with spin) and on firm greens it may be 50'.  That is what we were seeing out there today.

One of my fellow architect friends designed Chambers Bay (2015 Open venue) and things got a little (actually a lot) out of control there too.  The greens were literally brown.  Prior to the championship he played the golf course with Zach Johnson who complained almost the entire round that he did not know where to hit his drives, as there were so many options how to play a hole.  At the end of the round, Zach finally admitted that he liked the course because it made him "think".  So basically what we have is  a bunch of professional players who are robots, all playing the same way .....very little creativity.  I think we are seeing a bunch of players who think the golf course ought to conform to the way they play, not the way the golf course should be played. 

Jun 16, 2018 - 8:13:12 PM

Tommy5

USA

2926 posts since 2/22/2009

At some point the pro golf starts resemble miniature golf with all the gimmicks.

Jun 17, 2018 - 11:30:43 AM

940 posts since 1/31/2011

I'm enjoying watching the pros struggle on a course more similar to what we common folk play. Difference is put me on a good course and I'd still stink.  I played one pro course and no change.

Whoda thunk Phil  Mc would be the bad boy. 

Edited by - Disco Kid on 06/17/2018 11:35:33

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