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Mar 13, 2018 - 11:47:24 PM
436 posts since 2/9/2016

In another thread kmwaters asked about converting PDF 'tabs' to Tabledit files without entering the score from scratch. I know most on the forum seem to use that program and correspondingly post tab files in its native format - .xml. Personally I use Musescore and would probably have posted a file 'tab' as a PDF since its native file format is .mscz which I do not believe is useable by Tabledit.

With a bit of searching I have learned that many of the tablature programs will open/import tabs in the Music xml and Music compressed xml formats. Following suit these programs can also save/export in the same formats. For files already created and saved in the programs native format you would not need to re-enter them to save as an xml file. Just open the original and either Save As or Export and you now have the document in both formats.

1. Has anyone actually saved any tabs in .xml format.

2. Has anyone used xml files saved in one program to generate a tab in a different program.

3. Am I creating an issue where none exists?

Mar 14, 2018 - 12:10:19 AM

Mooooo

USA

3465 posts since 8/20/2016

I just tried to save one of my MuseScore files to .xml and then tried to open it in TefView and it didn't work. Then I tried to open it in the free TablEdit and it sort of worked. I could play the file but the notes didn't show up. Does it work when you do it?

Edited by - Mooooo on 03/14/2018 00:13:02

Mar 14, 2018 - 12:29:56 AM

dr4dpet

USA

436 posts since 2/9/2016

I've only tried to open one in TuxGuitar and that didn't work. But that program has been on version since 2.1. Also, I tend to have all types of Staff and System Text in my scores, along with repeats, tempo, glissando and other accents. I think this may be part of the problem I have with opening the file in TuxGuitar.

Mar 14, 2018 - 12:39:36 AM

Mooooo

USA

3465 posts since 8/20/2016

I wish you luck getting these programs approved for upload to the BHO, but I have to tell you that I will still only upload pdfs. I really hate the sound of these programs. When I open a TablEdit I never play it. Also, MuseScore hasn't gotten the 5th string down very well, and the grace notes don't work half the time. Yepp, I'm stuck with pdfs

Mar 14, 2018 - 2:38:35 AM

phb

Germany

1211 posts since 11/8/2010

I used music xml files for exporting tabs I set in MuseScore to import them into Frescobaldi, a lilypond frontend. I like the tabs created by lilypond a tiny bit better than the MuseScore tabs but, even though I'm an old TeX guy, age has turned me lazy and I like the MuseScore interface better than entering everything directly into lilypond. That's why exporting stuff from Musescore seemed a good idea. It worked quite well but stuff like string bends, slides or brushes didn't show up in the imported tabs which meant that I had to redo all that stuff in Frescobaldi/lilypond.

Btw, TuxGuitar implies that you are also on Linux. If you know what TeX is and it doesn't scare you, I can only recommend having a look at Frescobaldi/lilypond.

Mar 14, 2018 - 9:10:38 AM
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rickhayes Players Union Member

USA

1805 posts since 1/21/2003

quote:
Originally posted by Mooooo

I wish you luck getting these programs approved for upload to the BHO, but I have to tell you that I will still only upload pdfs. I really hate the sound of these programs. When I open a TablEdit I never play it. Also, MuseScore hasn't gotten the 5th string down very well, and the grace notes don't work half the time. Yepp, I'm stuck with pdfs


I play almost entirely by ear and rarely look at tab.  On the few occasions that I do, I am always going to use a .tef file, never a .pdf, because I can listen to the notes as I am looking at them.  Yeah, it doesn't sound much like a banjo, but it lets you hear the timing and note duration which is crucial to my musically challenged mind. For me, looking at a .pdf file is almost as useless as looking at a blank piece of paper.  That is why I appreciate the folks that tab files with Tabledit.   I don't have the full program, but the free Tefview works fine for me. I'm not criticizing those who post only .pdfs, Heck, I couldn't write a tab if my life depended on it.  But I suspect there are probably others who find listening to a .tef tab the far more useful option.

Mar 14, 2018 - 9:35:32 AM
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Mooooo

USA

3465 posts since 8/20/2016

quote:
Originally posted by rickhayes
quote:
Originally posted by Mooooo

I wish you luck getting these programs approved for upload to the BHO, but I have to tell you that I will still only upload pdfs. I really hate the sound of these programs. When I open a TablEdit I never play it. Also, MuseScore hasn't gotten the 5th string down very well, and the grace notes don't work half the time. Yepp, I'm stuck with pdfs


I play almost entirely by ear and rarely look at tab.  On the few occasions that I do, I am always going to use a .tef file, never a .pdf, because I can listen to the notes as I am looking at them.  Yeah, it doesn't sound much like a banjo, but it lets you hear the timing and note duration which is crucial to my musically challenged mind. For me, looking at a .pdf file is almost as useless as looking at a blank piece of paper.  That is why I appreciate the folks that tab files with Tabledit.   I don't have the full program, but the free Tefview works fine for me. I'm not criticizing those who post only .pdfs, Heck, I couldn't write a tab if my life depended on it.  But I suspect there are probably others who find listening to a .tef tab the far more useful option.


Hi Rick, I also play by ear and have only tabbed things out to figure out and remember exactly how I believe certain tunes are played. I then share them with the BHO community. Sometimes people request that I tab something out. When I post a tab I also include a link of the song I am tabbing from. For me  the source video or mp3 is far superior to listening to any electronic version of the tune or song in question. BTW, I didn't always tab things out, I found buying and learning from a tab very strange, as it is very easy with a little practice to figure things out by ear. But it is also easy to learn to read and write tab. I always find it is easier in life to be able to do more things than less, so every time that I read a tab it gets easier and easier to imagine what they sound like in my head. I am not trying to insult your way of doing things, just explaining mine.

Mar 14, 2018 - 10:52:41 AM
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rickhayes Players Union Member

USA

1805 posts since 1/21/2003

@Moooo Thanks, Mike. Just curious, how exactly do you tab something that results in a .pdf file? Is there some tab writing program that outputs to .pdf, or is it just some PDF program that you are able to maneuver to put in lines and notes and whatever else you need to result in a tab?

Mar 14, 2018 - 11:05:41 AM
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Mooooo

USA

3465 posts since 8/20/2016

rickhayes, I use MuseScore and export to pdf. Looks great, sounds like poop. There are problems with the fretted 5th strings, slides, grace notes and repeats after the 1st repeat of a part. I think there is a way to make pdfs in most of the software as well.

Edited by - Mooooo on 03/14/2018 11:06:17

Mar 14, 2018 - 7:31:15 PM
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Kimerer

USA

828 posts since 2/17/2006

I use frescobaldi/lilypond myself for my tabs. The output is much nicer than any of the other tools. I have it put out a .mid file, which I can listen to. I usually do that only to make sure that I have tabbed it correctly. The off-kilter notes stick out in the audio. However, I find that the MIDI rhythm is so mechanical and stilted it does not sound like what I want to play, so it is not of much use to me.

I am on linux and I cannot read the .tef files. Yes, I tried tuxguitar, and it just crashes when I try to import the files.

I use lilypond to output .pdf files, some of which I posted to the BHO, but the software would not allow me to upload the .ly files. Apparently that suffix is not an approved file format for the forum.

Lilypond is not for the faint of heart. It really is more like a programming language than a music language. But the output is superior so it is worth the effort to learn it.

Mar 14, 2018 - 10:23:09 PM

phb

Germany

1211 posts since 11/8/2010

@Kimerer:

The free TefView program works in a sort-of way in WINE. But I generally prefer pdf-files for tabs because I can look at the anywhere and not only on a computer where I have the rights to install software (which is not the case at my office). I don't care about the midi feature of TablEdit or MuseScore or any other tablature program, hence, it doesn't really matter to me that exactly this feature didn't work out of the box in TefView running in WINE.

Mar 15, 2018 - 4:43:38 AM

Kimerer

USA

828 posts since 2/17/2006

I suppose that I could try that. I do have wine running on my systems for things like irfanview. That would give me access to the tabs here on BHO but it would not help much for creating my own tabs. 

Mar 15, 2018 - 10:51:25 AM
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Kimerer

USA

828 posts since 2/17/2006

@phb I just installed TefView on top of my wine installation, and it appears to work. I also got the sound to work as well. Since I have no MIDI hardware I installed timidity++ and the patch-set "freepats" out of the repository. To get the sound to work with TefView I run timidity as an ALSA sequencer in the background. The "banjo" in freepats sounds more like a Theremin, so I just use the default Acoustic Grand. 

To run timidity as a sequencer, open a console and enter the following command:

timidity --interface=A &

After you do that, you will have the sequencer running in the background. You have to start the sequencer first, then run TefView. Once the sequencer is running, you can run TefView as many times as you want. Only run the sequencer once to avoid confusing the system.

Sound systems are flaky, so your mileage may vary.

                                          
 

Mar 15, 2018 - 11:43:14 AM

phb

Germany

1211 posts since 11/8/2010

@Kimerer:

Thanks, I will try that!

Mar 17, 2018 - 2:02:38 AM

dr4dpet

USA

436 posts since 2/9/2016

quote:
Originally posted by phb

Btw, TuxGuitar implies that you are also on Linux. If you know what TeX is and it doesn't scare you, I can only recommend having a look at Frescobaldi/lilypond.


It doesn't scare me, but that could be because I have absolutely no experience with TeX or LaTeX. Likewise, I have no firsthand knowledge of either emacs or vi.   ;-]

 

@rickhayes     Have you tried changing soundfonts to get a better banjo sound? It is a little more trouble to do so with Tabledit than it is with Musescore. With Tabledit you have to use an additional program to introduce a soundfont other than the system default. With Musescore you just drop the soundfont file into the correct folder, change two preferences and you are off ad running.  I have tried Timbres of Heaven and a Kay 5 String soundfont. Both are better than the default, if the Kay were not so muddy I would use it, as things go I am using the Timbres of Heaven sf2 file.

Edited by - dr4dpet on 03/17/2018 02:09:29

Mar 17, 2018 - 2:28:27 AM

dr4dpet

USA

436 posts since 2/9/2016

rickhayes In Tabledit if you Print To File it was save your tab with the .prn extension. These files can be converted to pdf with an additional program.

Mar 17, 2018 - 6:41:44 AM

rickhayes Players Union Member

USA

1805 posts since 1/21/2003

Thanks dr4dpet . Although I mentioned that playing a Tefview file doesn't really sound like a banjo, that doesn't matter to me. It's the fact that I can hear the notes as opposed to just looking at a .pdf file; I need to hear something. Also, I can print using Tefview just fine, but generally in the few times I use it I am just looking at the tab on screen as I am playing and listening to it.

Mar 17, 2018 - 6:59:36 AM
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janolov Players Union Member

Sweden

38765 posts since 3/7/2006
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quote:
Originally posted by rickhayes

Thanks dr4dpet . Although I mentioned that playing a Tefview file doesn't really sound like a banjo, that doesn't matter to me. It's the fact that I can hear the notes as opposed to just looking at a .pdf file; I need to hear something. Also, I can print using Tefview just fine, but generally in the few times I use it I am just looking at the tab on screen as I am playing and listening to it.


It is more natural to learn music by listening that by reading a lot of signs.

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