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Feb 14, 2018 - 4:36:51 PM
26 posts since 1/19/2018

Does a neck that has been broken and glued back together sound as good as a neck that has never been broken ???

p.s. I used gorrila glue.

Edited by - Wesley 38 on 02/15/2018 22:22:08

Feb 14, 2018 - 5:08:18 PM

2015 posts since 3/30/2008

 

I've had several instruments of the same model, & of the same ilk w/ different types of neck breaks & repairs, & I 've never noticed a difference in voice, as long as they were skillfully repaired.

( I even have some awful, amateurishly repaired instruments that play & sound fine). 

Edited by - tdennis on 02/14/2018 17:11:18

Feb 14, 2018 - 6:11:08 PM
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RioStat Players Union Member

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A broken and well repaired neck probably loses more monetary value than tone, sound, or playability value.

Feb 14, 2018 - 6:47:29 PM

26 posts since 1/19/2018

quote:Originally posted by RioStatA broken and well repaired neck probably loses more monetary value than tone, sound, or playability value.

Feb 14, 2018 - 6:52:01 PM

26 posts since 1/19/2018

If you saw my pic the neck some how got broken during shipping. There were no marks on the case that would make you think that the banjo was damaged. It just gave way while in the case. Has anyone else heard of this happening ??? The banjo can be heard on my YouTube channel called Augustus Wayne .

Edited by - Wesley 38 on 02/14/2018 18:54:49

Feb 14, 2018 - 6:57:58 PM

2015 posts since 3/30/2008

 

A fall from a certain height will break a banjo in different areas, just through "g forces" ,  even in a secure case or box. . Where was the break ?

Edited by - tdennis on 02/14/2018 19:01:32

Feb 14, 2018 - 7:31:51 PM

26 posts since 1/19/2018

It was broken at the heel where one of the lag screws went into the neck . I have a picture posted of it .

Feb 14, 2018 - 7:41:51 PM

183 posts since 12/28/2014

I make a 3 piece neck per say with a built up heel incorporating the dowel stick and a scarf joint to give the head stock a 5-7 degree angle. I based my design off classical guitar necks so you could compare it to a one piece neck that was broken and repaired at the heel and headstock.
They say a proper glue joint is stronger than the wood around it.
Either way the amount of energy being transferred from the neck shouldn't be noticeable if you were unaware of the break, placebo.

Feb 14, 2018 - 9:39:56 PM

gtani7 Players Union Member

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I heard of a damaged neck recently where the cracks happened because the pot wasn't sufficiently supported in the case so the 2 neck supports in the case put a lot of pressure at 2 points on the neck. And then all it takes is the usual treatment from any of the usual shippers (dropping off conveyer belts, rushed loading/unloading of truck) and you have damage.

So it's really important to have a hardshell case that doesn't point load the neck.

To address your original question, most breaks are diagonal with a lot of surface area and titebond properly injected and clamped not too tight will be a good bond.  You have to be careful with vertical (perpendicular to grain), end grain to end grain breaks, which are rare

Edited by - gtani7 on 02/14/2018 21:42:41

Feb 14, 2018 - 9:43:53 PM

26 posts since 1/19/2018

This is the original Deering hardshell case .

Feb 14, 2018 - 10:12:23 PM

Winged Words

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697 posts since 3/22/2012

It'll be fine if strongly repaired like this photo from Greg Galbreath who's been asked to tidy it up.

Edited by - Winged Words on 02/14/2018 22:14:07

Feb 14, 2018 - 10:20:06 PM

davidppp Players Union Member

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707 posts since 1/9/2012

I bought a long-neck GIbson really cheap because the tuning head had snapped off at the nut. After careful gluing (involving making a mold that allowed firm clamping), it sounded just fine. I wasn't good enough to hide the scar in the nitro finish. So I refinished the whole neck.

Feb 14, 2018 - 11:17:59 PM

47571 posts since 12/14/2005

Brought it from your page to HERE, just trying to be helpful.

OUCH!

That CAN be fixed.

Feb 15, 2018 - 1:33 AM

6224 posts since 4/7/2003

https://www.banjohangout.org/forum/attachment_manager/a_mngr_added.asp?addType=1&fileID=234380  She's ugly, but strong!! P.S. I take no responsibility , I think it was Willie Nelson's banjo wink




Edited by - pastorharry on 02/15/2018 01:37:53

Feb 15, 2018 - 6:01:01 AM

Brett

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1786 posts since 11/29/2005

best one I ever saw was a Goya with the peghead jammed back on with massive amounts of JB Weld. the surprising part is it held.

Feb 15, 2018 - 10:45:24 AM

6224 posts since 4/7/2003

The old adage , "Once broke, twice as strong for the mending".


 

Feb 15, 2018 - 10:18:01 PM

26 posts since 1/19/2018

The setup book I was referring to is "how to setup the best sounding banjo by Roger H Siminoff . Anyone read this manual ??? And any comments ???

Feb 16, 2018 - 3:01:42 PM

gtani7 Players Union Member

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Siminoff's book si generally good info. As other threads have discussed, he advocates very tight heads, a lot of breakover angle, and a shim so end fingerboard and tension hoop make solid contact. So he's going for really bright, overtoney banjos with maximum cut. I think old threads consider this out of fashion

banjohangout.org/archive/242679

There's also omissions, like he says "don't shim neck yourself, let a pro do it" something to that effect. Shimming a neck properly isn't hard.

Sandberg's book is worth $15 incl. shipping used.


 

 

 

  as to your point above that it's the factory case, you can't assume that it's the right depth for your pot.  Some makers, I don't know about Deering, switched from domed resonators to flat back ones over the years, so a case the properly fits needs to take that into account.  Really, the case should support the neck evenly over a broad area, not at 2 sharp lines, especially if you're shipping or checking in with airline

Edited by - gtani7 on 02/16/2018 15:10:35

Feb 17, 2018 - 7:00:01 AM

B0bIII

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79 posts since 4/2/2009

Some guitarists believe a broken and re-glued headstock is a key ingredient for the proper tone of a gibson les paul.
I would use titebond or even white elmers instead of gorilla. keeping everything lined up during clamping will be the key to a successful repair. I know gorilla makes different types, but the stuff I see people trying to use most often expands as it dries and throws the joint out of alignment. Repairing it after that is much more difficult.

Feb 17, 2018 - 7:53:25 AM

26 posts since 1/19/2018

They dressed up the heel and refinished it
But I am afraid it will break again !!!

Feb 19, 2018 - 8:33:19 AM

2321 posts since 6/19/2008

If it breaks again, it can be fixed again. This forum is great for advice - but it's better to ask first and repair after carefully considering the opinions you'll receive.

What exact type of Gorilla Glue did you use? They sell polyurethane, cyanoacrylate (super glue), and epoxy, and who knows what else.

Feb 19, 2018 - 1:22:54 PM

RioStat Players Union Member

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quote:
Originally posted by Wesley 38

They dressed up the heel and refinished it
But I am afraid it will break again !!!


Unless you knock it over or drop the banjo it should never break again (!!!)

Feb 19, 2018 - 2:13:27 PM

26 posts since 1/19/2018

Original Gorilla glue
. Is that a good one . It seems to me that it's pretty strong cause it's still holding .

Feb 19, 2018 - 3:03:58 PM

242 posts since 3/26/2009

I believe the original Gorilla glue tries to sort of swell up into a sort of foam when it dries. Probably less than ideal, but if you got a good tight joint and it might hold. You probably wont be able to clean that off very easily to try something else if it fails.

I used Gorilla wood glue on a few neck scarf joints and what-not. They have all held as far as I know, but sort of seeped a worrisome line of gunk at the joint after the first few months. Now I use Tightbond 2. I'm a fan.

Edited by - steveh_2o on 02/19/2018 15:08:12

Feb 19, 2018 - 3:42:28 PM

9919 posts since 10/27/2006

Properly repaired, I don't see how it can have any effect on the tone.

Resale value takes a hit, always. Oh well. You can only repair or replace. No one has figured out how to un-break something.

Feb 20, 2018 - 12:41:10 PM

26 posts since 1/19/2018

Yeah it said to moisten the wood and apply a thin layer of glue and clamp the pieces together. I used a pistol grip clamp . And it said it would foam so I wiped away as much as I could . I sent it back to the guy I got it from and he had it dressed and restained and clear coated .

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