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Feb 14, 2018 - 10:02:53 AM
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Mooooo

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Lots of people have trouble playing in flat and sharp keys. Here are some licks to get you started. Nothing too difficult, but all of them movable to anywhere on the fretboard until you run out of frets, so plan ahead. Feel free to add to this collection in whatever medium you prefer. Have fun.


Edited by - Mooooo on 02/16/2018 00:57:16

Feb 14, 2018 - 11:08:58 AM

Mooooo

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Here's another:


Feb 14, 2018 - 11:37:32 AM
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Let me tell you how a "short bus, in name,"ME",
would solve this dilemma...........

1, either move the song up or down a half step.
2, if one isn't possible, capo to confident position.
3, if 1 or 2 isn't possible, completely re-tune to open.
4, if 1 or 2 or 3, isn't possible..........
"strangle" the idiot that is inflicting this tune upon the band!
Warp!

Feb 14, 2018 - 11:45:47 AM
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I tried a closed position thread way back ,better luck with yours,I use them a lot.Even in good keys they are sitting there waiting

Feb 14, 2018 - 12:19:23 PM

Mooooo

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warpdrive , just saw this post, for all I care the tune could be in A or B, I am just trying to show some closed licks so people won't be afraid of using them or playing in a key without a capo. If it were me, I would definitely use the capo. Some people are against them, not me...but I like to play in any key that is called and sometimes you need some up the neck licks or if you don't have a capo you can improvise with closed licks. But I agree, anyone who calls A flat or F# should dangle at the end of a noose, but just in case I don't have enough rope, here are some emergency licks. I bet you have some great up the neck licks that would work just as well in any key.'

*this post got violent really quickly

Tractor1 , I am hoping the guys who hate using a capo can contribute some of their go-to licks so we all can benefit, it doesn't have to be tab, it can be video, a soundfile played really slowly or a nice description. p.s. Thanks for the kibosh

Edited by - Mooooo on 02/14/2018 12:32:00

Feb 14, 2018 - 1:30 PM
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5050 posts since 3/6/2006

Can't we just pretend everything is in G? My main problem with unusual keys is it puts all my fretboard markers in the wrong place. If you play in odd keys a lot, you get used to it.

Feb 14, 2018 - 1:58:22 PM
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chuckv97

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Darn fret markers anyway. Banjos should have blank fretboards and no side dots. Classical guitars don’t and those folks never even use capos.

Feb 14, 2018 - 2:07:37 PM
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Mike)moo)

I totally understand why you posted it, and i certainly can't go against how somebody else learns, because looking at the stuff on that paper is a foreign language to me,
seriously, i probably know and play what is ever on that page, on a regular basis, but damned if i would know it by going by those "chicken scratchings and hoof prints on that paper!

Yeah, i've been playing long enough, that i'm quite "adaptive" but i have a neat trick that i do, just yesterday as a matter of fact, and that is when i find a cool lick or cord, mainly between the first and fifth frets, usually playing out of or against a g, what i do is automatically try to see if it works 4 or 5 frets up the neck, like a "diminished cord"!

I got lucky and found some of the what i call "reno 7ths, which are basically just 2 string 7th's or 3 string 9's will transpose further down the neck!
A lot of this was just out of improvising on Bela's break from "Can't stop now" which they do in Capoed B!

Anywho, i don't want you to get the idea that i was upset at what you've posted, i just can't read!
Warp!

Feb 14, 2018 - 2:21:31 PM

Mooooo

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quote:
Originally posted by warpdrive

Mike)moo)

I totally understand why you posted it, and i certainly can't go against how somebody else learns, because looking at the stuff on that paper is a foreign language to me,
seriously, i probably know and play what is ever on that page, on a regular basis, but damned if i would know it by going by those "chicken scratchings and hoof prints on that paper!

Yeah, i've been playing long enough, that i'm quite "adaptive" but i have a neat trick that i do, just yesterday as a matter of fact, and that is when i find a cool lick or cord, mainly between the first and fifth frets, usually playing out of or against a g, what i do is automatically try to see if it works 4 or 5 frets up the neck, like a "diminished cord"!

I got lucky and found some of the what i call "reno 7ths, which are basically just 2 string 7th's or 3 string 9's will transpose further down the neck!
A lot of this was just out of improvising on Bela's break from "Can't stop now" which they do in Capoed B!

Anywho, i don't want you to get the idea that i was upset at what you've posted, i just can't read!
Warp!


These are great ideas, I will definitely try them. I didn't think you were upset, I realize everyone learns a different way, actually I was laughing when I wrote my reply, so some of it is jumbled up. I hope my post wasn't taken the wrong way, You have given us some cool ways to come up with our own licks or recycle other people's licks and that's the whole point. 

Feb 14, 2018 - 2:23:45 PM
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Mooooo

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Here's some more Chicken Scratch: Foggy Mountain Rip-off in C


Feb 14, 2018 - 2:26:08 PM

Mooooo

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quote:
Originally posted by Laurence Diehl

Can't we just pretend everything is in G? My main problem with unusual keys is it puts all my fretboard markers in the wrong place. If you play in odd keys a lot, you get used to it.


I have heard you pick some cool stuff Laurence, is it possible you can treat us to a lick or two? We would all appreciate it.

Feb 14, 2018 - 3:37:47 PM
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Mike, I'm bad at writing tab, probably because I don't read it that much. Someone put out some movable licks from Noam Pickelny some years ago - if I can find that, I'll post it.

Feb 14, 2018 - 3:45:06 PM

Mooooo

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No pressure Laurence Diehl, whatever you are comfortable with would be great. I'm not the Oddball Key Nazi!
Anything from chuckv97?

Haven't heard anything from Bryan H. lately, I bet he has some cool licks to share.

Edited by - Mooooo on 02/14/2018 15:49:39

Feb 14, 2018 - 4:35:02 PM
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Mooooo

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Here's some single string.


Feb 14, 2018 - 4:36:27 PM
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chuckv97

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I also don’t/can’t write tab easily. The only, and I really shouldn’t say “only”, ones I use are all utn licks that Earl used. Any utn closed partial chords you can find in FMB, LR blues, RL Rag, Fireball Mail, Earl’s Brkdwn.  btw Mike, I commend your efforts.

Edited by - chuckv97 on 02/14/2018 16:37:45

Feb 14, 2018 - 4:46:36 PM

Mooooo

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No problem Chuck, all of those can be found in the Archive, and are all must-learn licks that can be moved around the neck as is or easily adapted. Great suggestions.

Feb 14, 2018 - 7:47:37 PM
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“There are no ‘oddball keys’, only oddball musicians.”

—Horace J. Snailfrocky

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Feb 15, 2018 - 4:09:16 AM
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I printed these out to play around with.

I need some more closed shape licks like this. Just about the only one I work in now is the 6 white horses lick, which Vegas has me at 3 to 1 odds to nail.

Feb 15, 2018 - 8:56:53 AM
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Just play FM special in all 12 keys. Before breakfast

Feb 15, 2018 - 9:47:10 AM
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Feb 15, 2018 - 10:45:32 AM
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I use that one. including the G on the 4th string . After sounding ,switch it up to a C then a D,you have the first part of a basic Durham's Reel to roll on,You can also get a nice 5, 6, dominant 7, octave boogie woogie lick out of it

Edited by - Tractor1 on 02/15/2018 10:46:56

Feb 15, 2018 - 11:24:26 AM

Mooooo

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quote:
Originally posted by Laurence Diehl

Just play FM special in all 12 keys. Before breakfast


This is pretty funny, but very interesting at the same time. A BHO member was telling me in an e-mail about Noam Pilelny's learning technique, which I found very tempting. He said "...when Noam was learning, he would take a fiddle tune and learn it Scruggs, melodic, and single string if possible between frets one and five, five and 12, and 13 through 22. He would then play the same tune the same way through the circle of fifths."

I'm not sure I could do it all  before breakfast, but I'm aiming for lunchtime.

Feb 15, 2018 - 11:29:07 AM

Mooooo

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mmuussiiccaall, Great licks, they can be used in most bluegrass songs. Thanks

Feb 15, 2018 - 11:58:45 AM

Mooooo

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Here are some typical backup phrases. You can take parts of them and use them in a break like many of the greats do.


Feb 15, 2018 - 1:03:58 PM

Mooooo

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Cool and Bluesy descending lick from the 5 to the 1 chord.


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