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Dec 7, 2017 - 1:18:13 PM
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Their Back Porch Bluegrass cd has to be one of the best. Check it out. Huge collection - about 28 tracks on one disk. I forgot how good Doug Dillard actually was.

Dec 7, 2017 - 1:30:19 PM
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Mooooo

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28 tunes was probably still less than an hour of music...my copy only had half that many tunes and was about half an hour long. It's a great album, Doug Dillard is one of my favorites.

Dec 7, 2017 - 1:34:24 PM
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Doug Dillard,
MR CLEAN!
Smooth as silk, and fast as greased lighting falling off a cliff!
Made you love and want a Arch Top Banjo!
Warp!

Dec 7, 2017 - 1:57:40 PM

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Douglas Dillard also contributed quite a number of "new" banjo licks, to add to the Scruggs, Reno, Stanley, Osborne, Crowe assortment. My first exposure to Clinch Mt. Backstep was the Dillards, and I found it a bit "strange" when I finally heard Ralph Stanley play it -- it seemed much "stiffer" than Douglas' playing.

Dec 7, 2017 - 2:12:43 PM
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chuckv97

Canada

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I love the Dillards, with Doug and later with Herb Pedersen. I had the two LP’s with Herb, and they got some of my rock-fan friends interested in bluegrass. The later compilation CD I acquired a few years ago. “Doug’s Tune” and “Bells of St. Mary’s” are two of my favo(u)rites on Doug’s “Duelin’ Banjo” album.






Edited by - chuckv97 on 12/07/2017 14:14:44

Dec 7, 2017 - 2:51:23 PM
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pickin_fool

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doig dillard was legendary..i too had forgotten how good he was...when I played for a living the singers wanted us to do "Dooley"..he ran it by me and I picked it up right away..its fairly simple..i added my own licks to it and they came pretty close to what doug was doing...(as I found out later)...anyway a couple of years back I was going thru..in my head...some tunes we used to do...Dooley was on the list so I youtubed it to get a feel again as to how it went..youtube led to to more dillards stuff..i was almost mesmerized..believe it or not, three years ago I had never heard banjo in the hollow..another simple ditty that if played right and up to speed, makes you sound like a rock star..whoa mule..another simple song...if I was to model myself after another banjo player doug dillard is at the top of the list

Dec 7, 2017 - 2:58:15 PM

chuckv97

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Doug was a big influence on John McEuen and Alan Munde.

Dec 7, 2017 - 4:28 PM

TUT 1

USA

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I think Doug was one of the best ! Someone stated that if you start counting great banjo players on your hand, Earl would be the thumb , Doug would be next on the index finger . The old Andy Griffith show episodes with the Dillards was always my favorites. He inspired many people to learn the banjo , myself included . Thanks Doug!!!

Dec 7, 2017 - 5:29:59 PM

banjonz

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Even here in NZ Doug and the Dillards were a huge influence. I had all their LPS.

Dec 7, 2017 - 7:20:51 PM
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Back Porch Bluegrass, the Dillards' first album, came out in 1963 and created quite a stir among the bluegrass, old time and folk musicians that I hung out and picked with in college (we all seemed to know one another and crossover was fairly common). No one could believe Doug Dillard was for real. How he was able to pick so fast, and as warpdrive says, so clean, was simply beyond our comprehension.

When I started playing bluegrass about ten years later, Doug was one of the people I listened to a lot. I loved his instrumental, "Hickory Hollow" and eventually learned it. It's the fastest song I know, although I guess I should say "knew" because I have not played it in many, many years. One thing that I stole from Doug's playing that I do still use is one of Doug's signature licks, what the late Hub Nitchie of BNL called a "downhill Dillard."

Dec 7, 2017 - 8:13:33 PM

Mooooo

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quote:
Originally posted by arnie fleischer

One thing that I stole from Doug's playing that I do still use is one of Doug's signature licks, what the late Hub Nitchie of BNL called a "downhill Dillard."


Come on Arnie, don't leave us hanging. What's it look like?

Dec 7, 2017 - 9:05:40 PM

rbfour5 Players Union Member

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Arnie- is the “Downhill Dillard” lick that Doug used as an ending on “Banjo in the Hollow “? I too am a DD fan; learned many of his songs, and that descending lick that he ends with on Banjo in the Hollow.
(Now I have to listen to “Live, Almost” for a night cap!!)

Dec 8, 2017 - 5:15:30 AM

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I have also been inspired by Doug. Hickory Hollow is one of my favorite instrumentals. He is at the top of my list of favorites for sure! He could play Scruggs, Reno, and a mixture of both but he always sounded like Doug. Another thing, he showed the world that us Missouri folks could pick the banjo with the best of them!

Dec 8, 2017 - 5:40:20 AM

Helix Players Union Member

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I have a copy of the documentary that McEuen filmed when he was down in Salem.

I play the Dillards while I build banjos.

Dec 8, 2017 - 6:05:12 AM

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Ditto to all that. The CD of Back Porch Bluegrass and Live Almost was the first CD I bought when I "rediscovered" bluegrass in 1992. Doug was always quite the phenom, fast and clean as a whistle. And he never plays standard backup banjo, even when Rodney is out front singing Doug is playing-up a storm behind him. Incredible, and gone way too soon.

Dec 8, 2017 - 8:43:41 AM
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If I recall correctly there are two licks that Hub called "downhill Dillard" licks.  

One is a descending reverse lick that appears early on in "Doug's Tune" and uses the MIMT right hand pattern starting at the fifth fret of the first string.  I believe Doug himself called this a "drop thumb" lick. 

The other lick I associate with "Hickory Hollow" and is a descending lick that starts out of the seventh fret barre D position with the MTMT pattern for half a measure, in which the second and third notes use a 6-7 slide on the second string.  The lick then goes into a forward roll to complete the measure, and then the whole pattern repeats itself as the lick resolves to G.

Sorry, I don't write tab so this is the best I can do to describe it.

Dec 8, 2017 - 8:56:42 AM
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I agree, Doug Dillard was a great picker. What astounds me to this day is how great yet underrated Rodney's singing was.

Dec 8, 2017 - 9:11:03 AM

Mooooo

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The first lick, I imagine is that one in Doug's tune where the band stops and the banjo solos on the 1st string from the 5th fret to the 4th fret to the 2nd fret with MIMT 1st, 2nd (open) and 5th (open) strings and ends on the backward open roll on the 1st 2nd and 3rd open strings. Nice to finally have a real name for that one.

Dec 8, 2017 - 10:41:53 AM

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The Darling Family on the Andy Griffith show was one of my first inspirations to learn to play banjo. It took me years to discover who they were & that it was called Bluegrass. I damn near wore the grooves through to the other side on both the Back Porch & the Live Almost albums learning to play that stuff. crying A lot of my Dillard tabs were featured in BNL back in the 70's. The Norwood arch top was partly inspired by Doug's banjo.

Edited by - monstertone on 12/08/2017 10:51:27

Dec 8, 2017 - 11:21:17 AM

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I found the book "The Bluegrass Banjo Style of Douglas Flint Dillard" copyright 1980. Back cover has a price of $9.95. What an awesome book. I think I gave about $20 but did it gladly in today's market. If you find it you will like it.

Dec 8, 2017 - 12:11:50 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Mooooo

The first lick, I imagine is that one in Doug's tune where the band stops and the banjo solos on the 1st string from the 5th fret to the 4th fret to the 2nd fret with MIMT 1st, 2nd (open) and 5th (open) strings and ends on the backward open roll on the 1st 2nd and 3rd open strings. Nice to finally have a real name for that one.


That's it!

And I just located my old copy of "The Bluegrass Banjo Style of Douglas Flint Dillard," which I bought when it came out specifically to learn "Hickory Hollow" - a rare exception to my usual practice of avoiding tab.  My descriptions of these two licks seems to be accurate. As to the first lick, I was interested to see a comment in the book that the first lick can also be played MTMT (a true "drop thumb"), but that Doug played it MIMT which is really not a drop thumb even though the sound is the same.

Dec 8, 2017 - 12:16:30 PM

Mooooo

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quote:
Originally posted by arnie fleischer

And I just located my old copy of "The Bluegrass Banjo Style of Douglas Flint Dillard," which I bought when it came out...


Save that book, it's worth anywhere between $169.99 and $818.62 on Amzon right now.

Dec 9, 2017 - 11:03:04 AM

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I don't have that book, rather the later more familiar tab book, "Douglas Dillard Classic Songbook of 5-String Banjo Tabs." I doubt I'll live long enough to learn all the tunes, let alone play anything like Doug. As for the value of any of these books, give it to some young kid learning the banjo as a gift from the heart.

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