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Nov 14, 2017 - 1:00:45 PM
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thereallyniceman

United Kingdom

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My deepest sympathies to all concerned.
Yet another massacre! How many more deaths will it take before something is actually done in your country?

Nov 14, 2017 - 1:51:24 PM
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banjoy

USA

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Apparently, all we are permitted to do here, and all our politicians are willing to do, if offer thoughts and prayers.

So, here goes:

I *think* there is much more that can be done than only thinking and praying...

I *pray* that we do more than pray.

Condolences to those affected. It's heartbreaking. Again.
 

Edited by - banjoy on 11/14/2017 13:54:21

Nov 14, 2017 - 3:20:08 PM

Texasbanjo Players Union Member (Moderator)

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My thoughts and prayers go to the families and friends of those who were shot or injured.

As far as being able to do anything about things like this, you never know when a person is going to have a mental break down.   I know of no way to stop people from going off the deep end and causing havoc. 

And please, keep politics out of this thread.  Condolences, sympathies, horror over what happened is all that's necessary to keep this thread open. 

Nov 14, 2017 - 3:40:43 PM
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chuckv97

Canada

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Tragic, again. My condolences. More $$ invested in mental health services could help.

Nov 14, 2017 - 3:58:34 PM
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Could we just pin a thoughts and prayers post to the top of the forum? That way people can just add to that thread instead of making new post every time we have a mass shooting. Itíll save clutter.

Nov 14, 2017 - 4:17:16 PM
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alfiedog

United Kingdom

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What the hell has mental health got to do with somebody going out with a firearm, and killing people ? Not really sure what to make of a comment like that, as somebody who has first hand experience of mental health issue's. Basically the USA is rancid with
firearm's, you can even buy them in Walmart ( that's asda to uk folk's, "yes where we go for a pizza") That's yawl's problem. Gun's everywhere..

Nov 14, 2017 - 4:19:58 PM
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There's got to be a better way to headline the topic.

Because seeing

Old Posts

"Five killed, 10 hospitalized in Rancho Tehama shooting by thereallyniceman"

gives the original impression that the really NICE man has once again killed several people.

Nov 14, 2017 - 4:23:29 PM

chuckv97

Canada

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Eddie, itíll be an easier start on the problem by dealing with the mental side of it. I agree - way too much of a gun-happy culture.

Nov 14, 2017 - 6:53:50 PM

figmo59

USA

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Just wait till some chemist...
Goes off the deep end...

Nov 14, 2017 - 7:19:22 PM

bubbalouie

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quote:
Originally posted by figmo59

Just wait till some chemist...
Goes off the deep end...


This kind of stuff makes it easier to get old. I'm hoping I won't be around for it.

Edited by - bubbalouie on 11/14/2017 19:31:56

Nov 15, 2017 - 3:59:22 AM

banjoy

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quote:
Originally posted by South Jersey Mike

Could we just pin a thoughts and prayers post to the top of the forum? That way people can just add to that thread instead of making new post every time we have a mass shooting. It’ll save clutter.


Or better yet, just join Wikipedia as an editor and help keep the list up to date.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_by_year

Just this year alone; we still have a few more months to go before this years' over:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2017_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

Edited by - banjoy on 11/15/2017 04:06:14

Nov 15, 2017 - 4:37:11 AM
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AndrewD

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quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97

Eddie, it’ll be an easier start on the problem by dealing with the mental side of it. I agree - way too much of a gun-happy culture.


Easier - Yes. Even easier to completely ignore the issue. More effective ?

We have underfunded mental health here as well. But the victims of this underfunding wouldn't know where to get any sort of gun, let alone a consumerised military assault weapon. So it's very sad for them but not much of a danger to me.

Hey - It's your country. No reason for you not to have laws that look crazy  to the rest of the civilized world if that's what you want.

Nov 15, 2017 - 5:00:43 AM
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mbuk06 Players Union Member

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It seems clear to everyone except Americans that if you are the inheritor and current inhabitant of a house built 250 years ago there is a concept called 'updating'. That process can be defined to ensure that it is appropriate and maintains the integrity, safety, character and heritage of the house, but it is also a basic common-sense, consensual process that renders that property fit for it's changed environment and healthy modern living.

Notice how here we were persuaded of the benefit of no longer sticking our arses out of our upstairs window and crapping in own back yard as we did 250 years ago? Amazingly I feel no lessening of my individual freedom for that 'updating' and developmental adaptation. And my village no longer experiences deaths from repeated cholera epidemics.

Simple.

Edited by - mbuk06 on 11/15/2017 05:13:33

Nov 15, 2017 - 5:15:45 AM
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mbuk06 Players Union Member

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...and a prize of a cabbage is waiting for the first dimwit American who says: 'Arse's don't cause cholera; it's the arse-owner'.

Edited by - mbuk06 on 11/15/2017 05:17:54

Nov 15, 2017 - 7:26:18 AM

chuckv97

Canada

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quote:
Originally posted by AndrewD
quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97

Eddie, it’ll be an easier start on the problem by dealing with the mental side of it. I agree - way too much of a gun-happy culture.


Easier - Yes. Even easier to completely ignore the issue. More effective ?

We have underfunded mental health here as well. But the victims of this underfunding wouldn't know where to get any sort of gun, let alone a consumerised military assault weapon. So it's very sad for them but not much of adanger to me.

Hey - It's your country. No reason for you not to have laws that look crazy  to the rest of the civilized world if that's what you want.


Hi Andrew.  First of all ,I’m a Canadian, although I spend a lot of time in the USA.  Secondly, I’m suggesting some action to get a foot in the door on this issue. This crazy ship isn’t going to turn around in a day, month, or year.  Just start chipping away at the problem, but so far- nothing.

Nov 15, 2017 - 7:36:14 AM

banjoy

USA

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This must be my last post to this topic because I'll have said all that I can here, without veering the thread to a quick lock.

Not going to happen. Budgets for Mental Health issues have been slashed continually over the decades. The current budget proposals include significant cuts to Mental Health. This will throw much on the burden on the states to figure it all out.

Thinking and Praying is much cheaper.

Nov 15, 2017 - 8:37:53 AM

raybob

USA

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I heard he went to a local school which was in 'lockdown'. He couldn't get into the classrooms.

"Don't forget your kevlar book bag, sweetie!"

Nov 15, 2017 - 9:30:58 AM
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Cornflake Players Union Member

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Seems to me the USA should just keep their flags at half mast permanently to avoid confusion.

Nov 15, 2017 - 11:24:27 AM

raybob

USA

12120 posts
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6 dead now.

Nov 15, 2017 - 12:16:46 PM

figmo59

USA

26227 posts
Joined Mar 5, 2008

Police in Fla..
Just cault a man stockpileing chemicals to make a weapon of mass destriction..
Thay claim he is a member of Antifa...

Nov 15, 2017 - 12:18:47 PM

donc

Canada

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In recent weeks there has been a major shift to the issue of mental illness. It seems to be a successful distraction from the ugly subject of gun control. If it wasn't for a dozen other nearby countries this theory could have some merit. Every civilized country within 10,000 miles of the U.S also has a major problem with mental illness. My own community is probably one of the worst examples. Only one first world nation seems to be light years of all the others in mass shootings. Using basic barnyard logic what can we derive ? Compare this to your old car that needs help. What is immediately obvious are the 4 bald tires. Today you go to start this car and its belching blue smoke and stalling every 10 feet. You end up taking it to the first repair shop you can find. The head mechanic will only tell you that you obviously need a new set of tires. Would you immediately buy 4 new tires and expect the engine to be running fine ?

Nov 15, 2017 - 12:36:03 PM

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I think when we hit the point that the leader of the country tweets out condolences for the wrong mass shooting because they have an {insert name} template for mass shooting tweets, it’s REALLY time to knock off the “we can’t do anything” nonsense. We’re America, we are completely capable of not being a complete embarrassment to ourselves.

Edited by - South Jersey Mike on 11/15/2017 12:36:58

Nov 15, 2017 - 12:39 PM

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Figmo, you should find sources that can tell the difference between Antifa and Anonymous.

Nov 15, 2017 - 1:09:53 PM
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Tommy5

USA

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The mental health part is tricky,I would love to see the stigma of mental health issues eliminated and mental disabilities treated more like physical illness.The problem with these mass shooters is most don’t have severe psychosis before the go off, sure most display plenty of anger issues, red flags are apparent in retrospect, most suffer from what generally called, personality disorders which sometimes respond to therapy but often don’t, and meds can make the disorder worse especially if they aren't  taken regularly, another factor is stress ,which often pushes these marginal folks over the edge and results in mayhem, the trouble is that millions of people perhaps as many one fifth of the population may suffer from these emotional disorders depending on how they are defined,so telling who the next killer is going to be is problematic, of course in other nations, folks can’t purchase unlimited amounts of guns and ammo, and use a semi auto with huge magazines, and hyper velocity .233 rounds that tumble and fragment once inside targets when fired at short range and cause catastrophic soft tissue and bone damage,

Edited by - Tommy5 on 11/15/2017 13:25:52

Nov 15, 2017 - 2:18:43 PM
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figmo59

USA

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quote:
Originally posted by prooftheory

Figmo, you should find sources that can tell the difference between Antifa and Anonymous.


Call'em by whatevah name you want..

Point bein..nutjob mixn chemicals ..fer skullduggery....

Nov 15, 2017 - 2:42:02 PM
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Sure, why not say he was a North Korean ISIS member while we are at it?

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