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“Late Fall Breeze” , an original fingerstyle guitar instrumental

eric@banjohangout.org — Sat, 8 Aug 2026 12:51:45 CST

I threw this together one late evening, the usual derivative (shufflin’ da deck) phrasing with some partial chords.

youtu.be/RO0iiF8ZX7o?si=WCBe0zLs4bimmLaG

Rip Francesco Guccini

eric@banjohangout.org — Fri, 7 Aug 2026 14:22:01 CST

In these days has gone one of the greatest Italian singer-songrwriter: Francesco Guccini was a very strong and tall man he was a sort of italian Dylan a great poet!
I Guess that he is not known in USA or in other countries but here in Italy all The newspaper have his photo on the first page today and in the italian parlament there has been a minut of silence in his honor.. he was 84 year old.

since we are in a banjo forum he was a great friend of Deborah Cooperman american artist that lives in Italy: she played in some of his records finger style guitar and also banjo

I attach one of his most celebrated songs about being a songwriter with english and spanish translation, hope some of you like it!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz8k9iDErKg&list=RDUz8k9iDErKg&start_radio=1&pp=ygUkQXZ2ZWxuYXJhIGd1Y2NpbmkgdHJhZHV6aW9uZSBpbmdsZXNloAcB&ra=m

Union Fair

eric@banjohangout.org — Tue, 4 Aug 2026 15:02:35 CST

Union is about 20 miles up the road from me and I've been going there since I was a kid.
Used to see Joey Chitwood do car tricks there,played the year they had a rodeo back when that black guy was all the rage on broncos and stuff.
Nice old-time country fair that seems like it's been there forever.
Playing there again this Friday with "Rosey and Friends" at 11 am.

We'll be a French/Canadian fiddler,bluegrass guitar player who used to play with the Katahdin Valley Boys (7 time "Best Bluegrass Band" in Maine),Rosey (lead singer") and yours truly.
Mix of fiddletunes,old C&W and me singing 3 numbers.White Freightliner,Columbas Stockade and Don't This Road Look Rough and Rocky.

I'm not a lead singer for all-night,but I do like to chime in from time to time.

Clones

eric@banjohangout.org — Sat, 1 Aug 2026 13:02:22 CST

Do the folks that call all banjos built to Mastertone specs "Gibson clones" call all brands of dreadnaught guitars "Martin clones?

“Wayfaring Stranger”

eric@banjohangout.org — Fri, 31 Jul 2026 12:20:10 CST

The well-known spiritual from the early 19th century , origin unclear. Everyone from Burl Ives, Bill Monroe, Pete Seeger, Jo Stafford , Emmy Lou Harris, to Johnny Cash have recorded it.

youtu.be/2kN8hgua08Q?si=GzJf_fKQpZpjDuDF

https://share.icloud.com/photos/02bx560ALTNGTm-Ygu_rwS2eg

Jam Heaven

eric@banjohangout.org — Mon, 27 Jul 2026 13:23:31 CST

Yesterday's Sail,Power and Steam Museum Jam had a member of Pete Seeger's "Clearwater" crew playing a Nick Appolonio 12 string guitar.Beautiful tone with a .067 E string.
We found out that this gentleman has moved to Port Clyde (my home village) and we are looking forward to playing with him,often.

Wiley's Corner Grange Jam tonight at 7pm and Gilford/Butler Schoolhouse Jam this Thursday at 4pm.
Headed for the Tuftonboro,NH Jam on Tuesdays real soon.
I have to stay overnight with a dear friend in Saco for that one and there'll probably be a jam at her house the following night.

I don't go to bars (unless for a gig) to play for fun or socialize so these jams fill that void,nicely.

Supernatural in bluegrass

eric@banjohangout.org — Mon, 27 Jul 2026 11:18:08 CST

I'm looking for some bluegrass songs that describe some supernatural events or tell about fortune tellers. Both older ones and modern ones will do.
The only one I know is Mayhayley's House (Lonesome River Band)
Thanks in advance

“Deep River Blues” - fingerpicking demo & TAB

eric@banjohangout.org — Sat, 25 Jul 2026 17:07:20 CST

The iconic Doc Watson song that he borrowed from The Delmore Brothers, set in E , standard guitar tuning.

youtu.be/TPwdYRTS308?si=LfVqXs6d0LzxS3lA

is anybody still printing songbooks for their jam, or is it all iPads now?

eric@banjohangout.org — Sat, 25 Jul 2026 01:34:34 CST

honest question. we run a bluegrass jam out in Thailand, five years now, and half the circle reads off phones these days (lots of new players mostly, and they eventually wean off).

i keep printing paper books anyway and i'm not totally sure if that's good sense or just me being sentimental (old school?).

the case for paper, as far as i can tell:

no lock screen, no battery, no notification from your sister in the middle of Little Maggie
you can write on it. every book i've printed comes back with pencil on it, which i love
you can hand it to the person next to you. hard to hand somebody your phone
big print beats a 6 inch screen in a dim room
and the case against is just as real, a phone holds every song ever written and weighs nothing, and paper is out of date the second somebody learns a new tune.

i grew up on those old fake books and church hymnals and i think some of it is that i just like the object. a book with our jam's name on it feels like the jam is a real thing that exists, not just whoever showed up.

full disclosure so nobody feels ambushed, i got deep enough into this that i built a tool for making them, bluegrass98.com (window 98 vibes haha). free to use, code LAUNCH50 covers making songbook pdfs for the first 50 folks. it's chords and words rather than tab.

but i'm genuinely asking. paper, screens, or some mix? and if you print, what have you learned about what makes a book people actually pick up?

AI theft

eric@banjohangout.org — Fri, 24 Jul 2026 11:00:28 CST

I don’t know the answer to this dilemma but I think this is maybe what we’re in for. Lynn Miles has been a prominent folk/Canadiana artist for decades - Claire Lynch recorded her “Black Flowers”. I guess litigation is the only answer but most folk musicians can’t afford it.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid03297XKvANLw1iZNe6a1BcDZ4UKDRc95wKRFmcMG12dqj2VVuZkA5dxEq3aWpgMws9l&id=100058090418866

want to upgrade my guitar

eric@banjohangout.org — Fri, 24 Jul 2026 07:20:59 CST

Been playing basic BG rhythm guitar now for almost a year. I have an all black Fender CD 60S which has been pretty good for learning on. I would like to find something similar but a little better but still all black (basically the Fender CD60S is a Martin D-18 knockoff) My first choice would be to have Martin make an all black D-18 but..well..you know..then theres the real world. I saw a Baton Rouge on Thomanns website for a good price but not really sure its much of an upgrade. Any suggestions would be helpful

Fun song/How's Your Whole Family

eric@banjohangout.org — Thu, 23 Jul 2026 08:24:38 CST

Found this on YouTube by the Telluride House Band.
I believe I'll try it out at one of the next jams.Maybe at tonight's Schoolhouse Jam.

Collecting jam stories for a book. Tell me yours?

eric@banjohangout.org — Tue, 21 Jul 2026 04:15:12 CST

Hello music lovers! Longtime banjo player and jammer here, working on a book about jam circles: how people cross from listening to playing, who reaches back to bring newcomers in, and what these circles come to mean over a lifetime. The slow jam I stumbled into years ago changed my life, and I've spent this summer interviewing pickers at festivals about their jam journeys.

Now I'm passing the break this way, and would love to hear from this community. I've put together a brief set of questions.

Two ways to share:

Google form: https://forms.gle/oQsbWHDG4Zz9byby5
Zoom: you'd rather tell it out loud, the form has an option to grab 15 minutes with me for a recorded conversation.

Every level welcome, from first-year fiddlers to the jam veterans who've been holding down the same weekly circle for decades. Stories that make the book get credited however you choose, including not at all.

Happy to answer questions in the thread. And if you're mid-crossing right now, still working up the nerve to take your first break, I especially want to hear from you.

Thank you all in advance!

“Coulee Run” , an original tune (if there is such a thing)

eric@banjohangout.org — Mon, 20 Jul 2026 19:11:18 CST

I put this one together a while back; if you listen closely you might recognize strains of “Phantom 309” and Ian & Sylvia’s “Short Grass”, although I wasn’t consciously thinking of those when I started messing around with it.

youtu.be/OvxQaWKNTk4?si=Qb0ebyzbobvmtJIz

“If You Could Read My Mind” , Gordon Lightfoot, fingerstyle guitar

eric@banjohangout.org — Mon, 13 Jul 2026 12:30:33 CST

The big 1970 hit for Lightfoot; this arrangement is by YouTuber “lonelypicker”.

youtu.be/m6mU98D0ffE?si=ss2gc9sKXYN2HHsy

Unknown vintage mandolin tensioning bolts

eric@banjohangout.org — Sun, 12 Jul 2026 07:24:31 CST

Vintage Banjolin.
Hi
can anyone recognise the maker. of this mandolin. Beautifully made. Unfortunately I have cracked 2 of the 4mm hex head tensioning bolts and hope to replace them. They're not an af thread because I tried that. Any help would be greatly. appreciated.
Thanks
Slân
Terry

“Wabash Cannonball”

eric@banjohangout.org — Mon, 6 Jul 2026 13:07:10 CST

Here’s a fingerpicking tutorial for a classic country tune that The Carter Family recorded back in the day.

youtu.be/gJ_Qxj99QH8?si=NKIfrHAqqH9Ewmcn

Why Cowboy Hats?

eric@banjohangout.org — Sun, 5 Jul 2026 21:49:26 CST

Not that it keeps me awake at 3am, but western hats were for sun-drenched western North American places , so why do southeastern country and bluegrass musicians/bands don the big hats? Just guessing but it must’ve had something to do with those Western swing bands in the 1939’s and ‘40’s being so popular….. but still..

my bowing to the tradition....

“Saint Anne’s Reel” , Quebec style

eric@banjohangout.org — Thu, 2 Jul 2026 10:32:09 CST

Love the sound of this,, not perfect but the right energy

facebook.com/reel/247117515666...fs=e&fs=e

https://video-sea5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/o1/v/t2/f2/m366/AQPKOUOmgdrwUpPFWCQEoXzaggaGjXJPVrVryR2TvPY_k9-i5w2Po4Wh2uGxBeZcyNfjTSmnvy61ajtXFJFRXbxTPo0uyjtwOmaEv6OHiq8HSQ.mp4?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=5e9851&_nc_ht=video-sea5-1.xx.fbcdn.net&_nc_ohc=mPodTi4uUqwQ7kNvwHYUQ0v&efg=eyJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6Inhwdl9wcm9ncmVzc2l2ZS5GQUNFQk9PSy4uQzMuMTI4MC5kYXNoX2gyNjQtYmFzaWMtZ2VuMl83MjBwIiwieHB2X2Fzc2V0X2lkIjoxMjcxNjA0MTcxNzQyMzY5LCJhc3NldF9hZ2VfZGF5cyI6ODIsInZpX3VzZWNhc2VfaWQiOjEwMTIzLCJkdXJhdGlvbl9zIjoxMzAsInVybGdlbl9zb3VyY2UiOiJ3d3cifQ%3D%3D&ccb=17-1&vs=4ffd63812f1dba09&_nc_vs=HBksFQIYRWZiX2VwaGVtZXJhbC8wMTRBODg4MzhDRjFCQUUxNTA0OTlCRDEyQTZBQjdCMl9tdF8xX3ZpZGVvX2Rhc2hpbml0Lm1wNBUAAsgBEgAVAhhAZmJfcGVybWFuZW50Lzk2NDM1MzgxRUFFQzM4QjQwNjA5RjVDNkFCNUZBMThEX2F1ZGlvX2Rhc2hpbml0Lm1wNBUCAsgBEgAoABgAGwKIB3VzZV9vaWwBMRJwcm9ncmVzc2l2ZV9yZWNpcGUBMRUAACbC8pyvjaHCBBUCKAJDMywXQGBSHKwIMScYGWRhc2hfaDI2NC1iYXNpYy1nZW4yXzcyMHARAHUCZZaeAQA&_nc_gid=S3cycdfq-9co2rO21Tyx1Q&_nc_ss=702cf&_nc_zt=28&oh=00_AQBUeq-5OAoR_BTsgSbZFJd89AF1KrmNpnbaDm2FMtGNpw&oe=6A4C8235&bitrate=2521943&tag=dash_h264-basic-gen2_720p

Townes Van Zandt

eric@banjohangout.org — Tue, 30 Jun 2026 12:25:30 CST

A sad end , one of life’s tragic stories

https://youtu.be/3qapKhi_a2c?si=wsPvvXol399oqGgn

Junior Blankenship RIP

eric@banjohangout.org — Mon, 29 Jun 2026 12:18:40 CST

Junior Blankenship, the long-standing lead guitar player for Ralph Stanley died last Wednesday, aged just 66.

His obituary can be found herewww.haysifuneral.com

I believe he died of a heart attack.

“Eight More Miles to Louisville” , fingerpicking song guitar & some banjo

eric@banjohangout.org — Mon, 29 Jun 2026 11:40:30 CST

The old Grandpa Jones song that he wrote in 1947. Sam Bush does a nice job on it.

youtu.be/ADxf-Vxc7oQ?si=2FDSFb_jPNQRswV3

Happy 100 Kenny Baker

eric@banjohangout.org — Sat, 27 Jun 2026 03:44:46 CST

100 years ago today the man who defined what bluegrass fiddling is all about was born. Kenny Baker.
Think ill learn a Baker Fiddle tune in his honor today. Any suggestions?

James Monroe R.I.P.?

eric@banjohangout.org — Thu, 25 Jun 2026 20:00:42 CST

Ive heard that Bill Monroes son James has passed but havent seen anything in news about it. Is it true?

"Just like the record"

eric@banjohangout.org — Tue, 23 Jun 2026 20:47:16 CST

Why do people want to to sound just like the record?
Sure, you could steal a technique, but why not just the technique, then?
Transposing isn't that tuff for a three chord tune. Get a cheat sheet for the minors if you have to.
Why not a personal singing range?

So bad it’s good (?) ….after a few beers.

eric@banjohangout.org — Tue, 23 Jun 2026 05:10:44 CST

I don’t know if you’re familiar with the term “soundies”. These are musical clips from low budget movies and short subjects from the 30s and 40s.
So, if you want to get a feel of Hollywood considered country music back then… pop the cork out of the jug, pass it around, and enjoy. ( P.S. I apologize in advance. )

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zn2NdO3z1s&list=PLkY8-UOMZQ0-VLIYTi97MG4Rx1jsP29bk&pp=iAQB8AUB&ra=m

Evidence of Spoons as Percussion between 1850 and 1900?

eric@banjohangout.org — Sun, 21 Jun 2026 07:49:57 CST

I asked this on Facebook but wanted to ask here as well.

I am looking for primary documentation of spoons being played as percussion instruments between the years of 1850 and 1900 in North America.

"Primary documentation" includes (but not limited to) magazine articles, newspaper articles, images (photos or illustrations), letters, postcards, dated personal writings or journal entries originating between the years of 1850 and 1900.

I know about all the websites that make unsubstantiated claims about it being common so I don't need links to those.

Also, minstrel bones and castanets are not spoons.

"Spoons" means metal or wood, such as the type used for eating or preparing and serving food.

I would also be interested in any evidence of purpose made spoons specifically as musical instruments.

“I’ll Fly Away” , the popular gospel song

eric@banjohangout.org — Sat, 20 Jun 2026 15:57:14 CST

Fingerpicking the Martin D-35 with vocals.

youtu.be/Py83idU52d0?si=KKUkU57bnFPpGiDf

“In The Pines” , Lead Belly, Bill Monroe, Kurt Cobain

eric@banjohangout.org — Sat, 13 Jun 2026 17:48:07 CST

The old folk blues number from way back,,, set out of A shape, with 1, 4, flat 3 , 5 chord progression that I heard somewhere but can’t remember by who/whom.

youtu.be/VmI0NEsECb0?si=SMMuPm7rdPyzvdwh

Sir Mick J entertains with “Handsome Molly”

eric@banjohangout.org — Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:33:05 CST

facebook.com/reel/163900623052...fs=e&fs=e

I built a tool where music becomes geometry… is this useful or just cool?

eric@banjohangout.org — Wed, 10 Jun 2026 08:13:37 CST

I’ve developed a free web app: erhythm.org (disclosure: I’m the developer). It’s a visual, interactive rhythm composer inspired by Godfried Toussaint’s The Geometry of Musical Rhythm. The idea is to represent rhythm geometrically: you place beats on a circle, the active steps form shapes, and you can instantly hear the result.

This is not intended as a learning system or replacement for notation, but as a visual presentation tool for rhythm, to explore and illustrate patterns like Euclidean rhythms, polyrhythms, and world rhythms in a more intuitive visual form.

Example (Bembé Afro-Cuban rhythm):
Link in comment.
erhythm.org/composer/r/bembe-afro-cuban?utm_source=banjohangout.org

I’d really appreciate feedback from musicians and educators on whether this kind of visual representation is useful for explaining or presenting rhythmic structures.

John Lomax recording Lead Belly at Angola Prison

eric@banjohangout.org — Tue, 9 Jun 2026 14:03:49 CST

In 1933 ; Huddie was later released and set out on a music career

“I Wonder How the Old Folks Are at Home”

eric@banjohangout.org — Sat, 6 Jun 2026 11:07:01 CST

Recorded by The Carter Family in 1929,, Mac Wiseman often sang it. Anne Murray had it on one of her early albums.

youtu.be/XT7odM2f5XQ?si=5g7AvOTgVH4mQYhu

Keep those compliments comin' ....

eric@banjohangout.org — Fri, 5 Jun 2026 15:40:30 CST

Was on a short camping outing; met up with a couple who we see sorta-regularly at jams/festivals.

I was given some feedback on my "playing":

a) "You're better than you think you are," and

b) "Your singing is interesting and entertaining," ....

c) " [and] not annoying, like ________ and ________ ."

I guess the universe is unfolding as it should.

Fender strat shape lawsuit

eric@banjohangout.org — Fri, 5 Jun 2026 08:09:20 CST

Fender won a default judgement in Germany against a Chinese company making knockoff strats when the Chinese company failed to show up to court. The judgement was that the s-shape is protected creative work rather than a functional object design. With this "legal win" Fender has now decided to issue legal notice to US and EU guitar builders (including very small boutique builders) to cease producing the S-shaped guitar, desist in selling unsold instruments, and potentially recall and/or destroy said instruments.

After not caring about the use of the shape for 70 years they apparently care now. Makes me wonder if the banjo has anything lurking below the surface of portfolio-owned legacy music brands...

“Shredding” on the classical guitar?

eric@banjohangout.org — Sun, 31 May 2026 23:47:54 CST

I’d say this takes maybe 15 years of intense practice before you can pull this off….

youtube.com/shorts/tvvUP7muFVc...QSy3SmKUp

The “Palletcaster”

eric@banjohangout.org — Sun, 31 May 2026 11:22:17 CST

facebook.com/reel/168516590904...fs=e&fs=e

Blue Moon Of Kentucky

eric@banjohangout.org — Sun, 31 May 2026 05:40:07 CST

Blue moon of Kentucky, keep on shinin'.

Two fisted banjo

eric@banjohangout.org — Sat, 30 May 2026 18:30:24 CST

I realize that the banjo isn't the easiest instrument to play, but having mild breadth of exposure to other genres, I decided to toss this one out.

Michael Hedges, who I was fortunate enough to see two or three times before his demise, seemed to oft times play his left and right hands as almost separate instruments, or at least as complements, many times with his fret hand working harder than his body/strumming hand, His hammerons and pulloffs were amazing. He hardly ever strummed. While such playing is 50,000 miles beyond my capabilities, I wonder if there are any banjo analogies.

Rickover's Dream
youtube.com/watch?v=xaZbJkmWGuU

Aerial Boundaries - fast forward to 2:45
youtube.com/watch?v=tLXBABH2JuY

“Hum to search” , finding a song

eric@banjohangout.org — Sat, 30 May 2026 15:20:07 CST

Google has this function available ,,,, I hummed the melody to “Blue Moon of Kentucky” and got this ,,,,,,

youtu.be/1ifsxtehI5M?feature=shared

“À Moment’s Release” , a fingerpicking guitar tune

eric@banjohangout.org — Sat, 30 May 2026 13:01:16 CST

One of my ramblings as I messed around with some ideas

youtu.be/8M3ePzA4lu8?si=lOzQeprpdyXOYhrj

Then & Now

eric@banjohangout.org — Fri, 29 May 2026 19:38:51 CST

1976 and 2024 ….. anyone else want to add their “Then & Now” photos?

I love using Reverb, but something to be very aware of when selling!

eric@banjohangout.org — Fri, 29 May 2026 11:26:54 CST

Hi All, I'm a social worker for the state and a single parent, longtime banjoist and longtime BHO member. I've traded on Reverb for 11 years and love using the site. But I need to make other sellers aware of a new, horrible thing that just happened. Occassionally, there's a small shipping descrepancy, 1 or 2lbs., and that leads to a small charge of $2-$4. These "shipping adjustments" are rare and I usually never check them. CHECK THEM! GO BACK AND CHECK YOURS! I looked and a lightweight gourd banjo I shipped with the packaging at 16lbs. was "adjusted" at 35lbs for over $30, another one from two years ago was adjusted for just 3lbs. but was an over $40 fee! The kicker was a Vega Folk Wonder openback from 6 years ago that was adjusted from 17lbs with the box to 95lbs. Reverb credited me in my Reverb account after taking my money. Either that's intentional or accidental, but CHECK YOUR SHIPPING ADJUSTMENTS ON REVERB. Reverb changed when etsy bought it, and now it's changed again. I'll still use it, but sellers be aware.

A Daisy A Day...

eric@banjohangout.org — Fri, 29 May 2026 07:51:29 CST

Along with music, computers/internet aren't one of my strengths.

I'd be forever indebted if somebody could give me a link to somebody singing "A Daisy A Day" in the key of "G."

“Canadee-I-O” , Nic Jones

eric@banjohangout.org — Tue, 26 May 2026 08:45:54 CST

Nic Jones’ stunning guitar work highlights this wonderful folk song. He developed it from his clawhammer banjo style, transferred to the guitar.

youtu.be/KlFKwY_YgZ4?si=7OSMs9ZkQlTxM_2S

Ima Kareoke Machine

eric@banjohangout.org — Mon, 25 May 2026 16:31:36 CST

Every year, I get invited to a Memorial Day BBQ as a family friend. "Oh, and bring your guitar, will ya?" As the shadows get long, our host summons me. He used to go down to Texas to the big valley. Where he could Kereoke to his hearts content. He bought a machine, but none of his kids will help him with it.
So he has a folder of words. Everything from Church hymns to Patsy Cline and Hank Williams. Good stuff. He doesn't know of keys but can stay on key if I find the key he's in. It is a challenge I relish. Find the key, find the changes, and play along. I even sing a little harmony. Delicious burgers and taters, and pies to who-laid-the-rail.
Just had to share. Hope y'all had a good day!

Sunday gospel hymn , “Just As I Am” , fingerpicking guitar

eric@banjohangout.org — Sat, 23 May 2026 19:47:19 CST

The popular hymn from 1835, music by William Bradbury; words by Charlotte Elliott. I think it was Stefan Grossman who cautioned about trying to shoe-horn every tune into the alternating thumb style,,, but I cave to the temptation at times....
On the D-35 ; fingerstyle, fingerpicking, & then with rhythm guitar.

share.icloud.com/photos/0feFly...8jbwOKcTg

I wrote a BG song-need a little help

eric@banjohangout.org — Sun, 17 May 2026 21:50:35 CST

Hi all!
So I wrote a simple Bluegrass song that I am in the process of getting copyrighted...(a bucket-list kinda thing). I would like to be able to include the actual musical notation and chords above the lyrics preferably in the key of G before I do the final submission. I think that maybe? I might be able to figure it out on my own but tbh, it would take me the better part of a month and would severely cut into my much needed practice time. I know that there are more than a few people on here that could figure it out in 15-20 minutes so I would be willing to pay whatever you think is fair to help me out.

Thanks

Pete Seeger, Burl Ives, & the “Red Scare”

eric@banjohangout.org — Sun, 17 May 2026 20:22:07 CST

I read about this many years ago,, just got reminded.

“Fireball Mail” , banjo, guitar, vocals

eric@banjohangout.org — Sun, 17 May 2026 18:55:19 CST

The old favourite written by Floyd Jenkins, aka Fred Rose, and a big hit for Roy Acuff back in 1942. Earl Scruggs recorded the definitive , imho, banjo version. Key of G , banjo arrangement by Janet Davis; key of C for the vocals. On my ODE Style C and Martin D-35. (voice courtesy of 35 years of smoking Pall Malls and 20 years of highway dust)