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Listened to my grandad play until i couldn't stand it any more. Learned from him, Steve Brainard in oklahoma, Erik Darling, Doug Dillard, John Hartford and lots of others. Played myself out of college 2 or 3 times.changed major to music in 1958. Taught classical guitar at 2 - 3 colleges. Had a trio with mason williams and bax taylor in late 50's early 60' hitched in 62. Quit the road when i did that but still did studio work, played with a symphony in texas once, taught lots of folks to play banjo and guitar, played around with various folks.developed a little arthritis but i can still play ok clawhammer.

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