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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: YouTube: Buddy Rose with RB-Granada

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Greg Earnest - Posted - 08/23/2007:  11:09:38

YouTube has a couple of nice clips of Buddy Rose playing with the Sauceman Brothers in 1962. Looks like maybe an original five-string flathead RB-4???

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Edited by - Greg Earnest on 08/23/2007 12:34:11

flatthead - Posted - 08/23/2007:  11:29:12

Actually that banjo was an original flathead 5 string Granada that was replated chrome in the late 50's I believe. It has since been replated back to gold and is owned by Gordon Reid near Nashville.

Buddy Rose was a great player from East Tn who, if I recall correctly died in the early to mid 70's. Great player and a major influence on many of the player from that area.

flange5st - Posted - 08/23/2007:  11:45:53

Great info on Buddy Rose.........he was a fine player.......and that was a good band that the Sauceman's had together at that time...........peace

......." lay the thumb to the ol' five- string"..:-).......

Greg Earnest - Posted - 08/23/2007:  12:35:02

Hey, Jimmy. . . I should have known you would have the lowdown on this. "Duly noted". . . thread title edited. . .


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KLandreth - Posted - 08/23/2007:  12:38:31

Originally posted by flatthead

Actually that banjo was an original flathead 5 string Granada that was replated chrome in the late 50's I believe. It has since been replated back to gold and is owned by Gordon Reid near Nashville.

One of the best bluegrass banjo players around in the 1960s and also one of the nicest guys to ever touch the instrument. But Jimmy left out the really good part of the story. Buddy thought he could open up the sound of that banjo by enlarging the holes in the tone out comes the DeWalt with the biggest bit in the case...and, did sound damn good after he reamed those babies out to about 3X normal diameter....


Edited by - KLandreth on 08/24/2007 11:21:55

GerhardP - Posted - 08/23/2007:  12:52:31

Three Sauceman videos are downloadable as WMV here:

I just love the sound of the banjo as it comes in on Who-Ah ! That's what a bánjo should sound like to me, whatever the size the holes in the tonering are :-)


"Most bullet holes in banjos are a result of poor aim"
(Fretless Josh Saw in BNL July '02)

flatthead - Posted - 08/23/2007:  15:19:15

I wish I had cool hair like that.........

I believe Glen Rose is a cousin (maybe nephew?) to Buddy and a fine banjo player as well as a great guy too.

Edited by - flatthead on 08/23/2007 15:20:05

southerndrifter - Posted - 08/23/2007:  15:50:39

Man, that is some solid GOOD stuff right there!! That ol' Granada is a cuttin' it too!! Jim (or anyone), do you know what the SN might be on that Granada? I was just wondering what batch it might have come from.

Lynwood Lunsford

"Alright fellas, shake hands and come out pickin'!!"

banjostan - Posted - 08/23/2007:  20:43:38

gordon reid is a friend of mine for about 40 year's, I learn'ed how to play the banjo with this( banjo ) i have play'ed it many long hour's at gordon's house he live'ed right beside me in hendersonville tennessee when i was growing up he let me practice on it pretty much when i want'ed too ( notice the cam-tuner's) all my banjo's have cam-d-tuner's that is why i like them .they work very smooth the banjo( is a 1934 granada original 5 string flathead)for sure but not on the year . gordon reid and carl jackson had bud rose for a teacher and gordon taught me how to play so maybe i have a little touch of bud rose in my playing hope this help's stan.

Wayne Holcombe - Posted - 08/24/2007:  08:53:40

If I remember the story right Bud bought the banjo in South Carolina,while he was in the army,and it came from the family of one of the early noted banjo players.I'll try to find out more and pass it on.

sparky - Posted - 08/24/2007:  11:02:44

Man! That was great! Thank's.
The banjo was PERFECT! I want to play like that when I grow up..

If he hogged out those holes before that was filmed, I'm pullin out my drill tonight... Cause, Man!!


ldgrmnmc - Posted - 08/24/2007:  16:16:35

Thanks for the post!! I didn't know anything about these guys, but I asked Robert Fowler, a former BG Boy from the '70s, and he knew all about them......Apparently they were highly respected. thanks again.

fgodbey - Posted - 08/24/2007:  18:55:02

Here's a little back-story on the Sauceman videos. Several years ago a friend of Carl's called me and asked if I knew anyone who could transfer old obsolete commercial video reels to something that could be watched at home. Naturally, I asked what it was; seems Carl had 7 reels of what is I think called "quad video" each containing 3 songs. He had acquired them from WLAC-TV where they had been recorded to be inserted into a local country music show that ran on the station. (The Carl Tipton Show, I think.) Originally there were 8 tapes, but one had been lost over the years.

I said I'd ask around, and through some friends in the tech side of the TV business we found an engineer who had salvaged an old "quad" machine after it had been discarded by a station here. He volunteered (for a price!) to see if a) it would power-up and b) if it would handle the tapes without destroying them. Success on both counts resulted in the clips you can now see on the video sites mentioned above.

Strictly speaking, the tapes & the performances on them belong to Carl's family, so anything anyone wants to do with them should go through Jim Sauceman.

fwiw, I first saw Carl's band in 1961 when I was spending the summer on my uncle's farm near Aberdeen MS. Carl had a TV show on a nearby station; Fred Richardson was the banjo player at that time. I have an advertising postcard from that band; if I can find it amid the chaos & clutter I'll put it up on my photo space.

--Cheers, Frank

silvioferretti - Posted - 08/25/2007:  14:24:23

I believe BU had an article about Bud not very long ago. I'll check.

Gordon Reid used to play (or at least record) with Bill Grant and Delia Bell, right? Do you know if he used that Swiss cheese ring Granada on any of their records?

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banjostan - Posted - 08/26/2007:  01:35:40

when i first met gordon he was playing a style-3 wreath flathead banjo and then got the granada around 77 or 78 is my best guess? i remember when he went to greeneville tenn. to pick the banjo up in a mark leaf case to boot. stan.

silvioferretti - Posted - 08/26/2007:  11:24:49

Then it's the Granada on the couple LPs that I've got. HUGE sound!

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jfb - Posted - 08/27/2007:  22:28:26

I would suppose that is a good example of how banjo pickers are never quite satisfied with the sound of their take the holy grail of banjos and reduce its value to fractions of former original state, all in the name of making it sound "better"...whatya think fellows..should i drill it out to quarter, three eights, or heaven forbid, half???...Nah, think ill let it alone, like I have for thirty years, cause I think it sounds ok..

Edited by - jfb on 09/13/2007 22:20:44

Whitey$$62 - Posted - 08/31/2007:  07:36:41

I was going to pass on this and not say anything but couldnt. I grew up in Greeneville where at the tender age of 9 began taking lessons from Bud. He and my dad were good friends. I would be dropped of at Bud's music store through the summer when school was out and spend all day with him. He drug me and Glen all over creation to pick with him at local events. Bud was not only one the best pickers I ever heard but he was a great guy as well. He treated me as if I were his own child. I had the chance to play his banjo on several occassions but it never sounded the same as went Bud would strike her up. I remember Carl J. & Gordon R. being there and playing it as well. They were older and more advanced in there playing ability than I. ( Still are ).

He had a daughter (Joyce) that could play too...back then. Man she was pretty...Bud had a hard time keeping my attention when she was around. There was a lick that kicks off Foggy Mountain Breakdown that just could not get...Bud would get flustered at day while admiring Joyce while she was picken...I got it ! ...Bud never did let me live that one down...but oh well...

All I can say...Thanks Bud for the memories !

Am I in tune ??

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KLandreth - Posted - 08/31/2007:  15:56:35

Originally posted by Whitey$$62

Bud was not only one the best pickers I ever heard but he was a great guy as well. He treated me as if I were his own child. I had the chance to play his banjo on several occassions but it never sounded the same as when Bud would strike her up.

I have a similar story. While I was learning to play banjo in high school in Marion, VA in 1965, my dad took me to a Bonnie-Lou and Buster show at the Marion High School Auditorium. My roll was a friend Mike Harrell had likened it to a horse gallop...I was watching Flatt and Scruggs on TV...but had not quite figured out how Earl got those great four note phrases with three fingers. Buddy Rose was playing with the band, and I went backstage after the show on the pretense of looking at his banjo. It certainly sounded better than the one my dad had bought for me from Sears! Bud saw I was intent on the banjo, asked me if I played, and when I said I was learning...he sat me down, stuck that amazing banjo in my lap, bent his picks to fit my fingers, and said play something. When Cripple Creek came out more crippled than it ought to be...he sat down next to me and showed me how to play a proper forward roll. I had to show him that I had caught it before he would let me go. I spent the rest of that night holed-up in my room reconstructing Cripple Creek and have never forgotten the time he spent with me that night while the rest of the band waited patiently for him to get on the bus. This was a really nice man who influenced lots of buddding banjo players in East Tennessee and SW Virginia back in the 1960s. I also could never get the sound of that banjo out of my head and was thrilled a few years ago when Gordon Reid let me play it at IBMA...thats one great banjo.

I agree Doug...thank you Bud for the memory.

Ken Landreth


Edited by - KLandreth on 09/03/2007 10:04:33

KLandreth - Posted - 08/31/2007:  16:06:11

Originally posted by Wayne Holcombe

If I remember the story right Bud bought the banjo in South Carolina,while he was in the army,and it came from the family of one of the early noted banjo players.I'll try to find out more and pass it on.

Jerry Keys tells me that Buddy bought that Granada in Martinsville VA from Joel Martin, a well known banjo trader. Unfortunately Jerry could not remember the serial number...or whether the tone ring had holes before Buddy worked it over....



Edited by - KLandreth on 09/03/2007 13:52:18

jfb - Posted - 08/31/2007:  21:51:30

Thats interesting Mr landreth (Ken)..there were two people that had the nickname "Banjo" from NC and one from VA..both names began with M...thru these two individuals pased most of the old Gibsons around these parts..including the one I now have...they were the Luigi Tarisio's of the banjo world..

Edited by - jfb on 09/13/2007 22:22:11

Matteo - Posted - 09/03/2007:  08:01:03

I have uploaded that video. I love those Carl Sauceman videos, Buddy Rose's Granada sounds AMAZING!!! And I love his picking!
Frank, that's a great story! Russ Farmer told me that very story some time ago, when I sent him some JD Crowe video material to help him with his documentary (BTW anyone has heard news on this??).
He said that the guy who did the copying was a engineer friend of his, working at the Eastern KY University, and that he burned the video heads on the two machines he used to reproduce the old 2'' Tapes. So we're lucky they've been able to dub the tapes and preserve this great video!
Silvio, I see you mention some LPs. Is Bud in these LPs?? If so, I'd love to know more about it.

KLandreth - Posted - 09/03/2007:  09:08:55

Buddy Rose released one instrumental vinyl LP around 1970 called 'Down Home Pickin' on the Dominion Label (Dominion NR 3319). The other players on this record are not listed on the cover, but are Edwin Taylor on guitar, Hershel Sizemore on mandolin, Jim Farmer on fiddle, and Tater Tate on bass. I don't know of any other records he is on, but there are several live radio shows and studio cuts of Buddy's band from the 1960s that have survived thanks to his cousin, Glen Rose (Glen is also a great banjo player). The radio band was the 'Country Tune Twisters' and included Buddy Rose on banjo, Edwin Taylor on guitar and piano (and Edwin was one amazing piano player), Jim Farmer on fiddle, George Hazelwood on mandolin, and Jack Pate on bass. The released record album is nothing short of great and has several original banjo tunes by Buddy, but is long out-of-print and very hard to find. I watched eBay for several years before a copy of this record came up for sale...but it was worth the wait just to hear 'Bud's Chimes' again (the record was still sealed/mint and I was the only bidder ).

Ken Landreth


Edited by - KLandreth on 09/03/2007 15:24:51

banjostan - Posted - 09/03/2007:  11:26:00

I am going to visit gordon next week and i'll try? to get a copy of bud's record and i'll also try to get the s/n and maybe get some pictures and more info while i am their. thank's stan.

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