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Jim Treganza - Posted - 02/12/2007:  14:17:23


I'm brand new at this and want to take a few lessons. I've been unable to find anybody who gives clawhammer lessons less than 45 miles away from Stockton, CA. I work for a local theatre and we were even unable to find a picker to play with the orchestra in a recent show! For money! Does anybody know somebody who plays old-time banjo in this neck of the woods? I really don't want to drive to Berkeley or Sacramento. Thanks.

Bill Rogers - Posted - 02/12/2007:  15:11:45


Jim, send me your phone number via Hangout email. You won't have to leave Lodi.

Bill


Edited by - Bill Rogers on 02/12/2007 15:22:44

Jim Treganza - Posted - 02/12/2007:  14:17:23


I'm brand new at this and want to take a few lessons. I've been unable to find anybody who gives clawhammer lessons less than 45 miles away from Stockton, CA. I work for a local theatre and we were even unable to find a picker to play with the orchestra in a recent show! For money! Does anybody know somebody who plays old-time banjo in this neck of the woods? I really don't want to drive to Berkeley or Sacramento. Thanks.

Clawdan - Posted - 01/08/2007:  14:06:12


Hi Folks,
Bob Carlin and I are planning a workshop weekend in Austin in late March this year. Wanted to start by giving you a heads up and see who is interested. I'll be glad to keep you up to date of details as they develop.

Play nice,
Dan "Ain't no bum-diddy" Levenson
Old Time Music and Dance
www.ClawhammerBanjo.us
Author of Clawhammer Banjo From Scratch, A guide for the claw-less - a MelBay Publication
and Old Time Festival Tunes for Clawhammer Banjo (MelBay 20313) - 117 tunes tabbed for clawhammer banjo with standard notation and suggested chords.
Tune list at http://www.folknet.org/dan/FestTunesBJBook.htm

BigDawg - Posted - 01/08/2007:  14:59:37


Would that be Austin, Texas or Austin, Minnesota? I'd be a yes on the former but I had to go to my nephew's wedding last August in the latter and it's a little too far for a weekend.

Clawdan - Posted - 01/08/2007:  15:14:48


T for Texas! Cool. Didn't know bout the other (latter) but Texas is the one.

Play nice,
Dan "Ain't no bum-diddy" Levenson
Old Time Music and Dance
www.ClawhammerBanjo.us
Author of Clawhammer Banjo From Scratch, A guide for the claw-less - a MelBay Publication
and Old Time Festival Tunes for Clawhammer Banjo (MelBay 20313) - 117 tunes tabbed for clawhammer banjo with standard notation and suggested chords.
Tune list at http://www.folknet.org/dan/FestTunesBJBook.htm

BigDawg - Posted - 01/08/2007:  15:49:40


Austin, Minnesota - home of Hormel and the Spam Museum. Very educational! Keep us updated on the TEXAS workshop.

Clawdan - Posted - 01/08/2007:  15:51:52


quote:
Originally posted by BigDawg

Austin, Minnesota - home of Hormel and the Spam Museum. Very educational! Keep us updated on the TEXAS workshop.


Geeze, now I'm REALLy embarased. We were at the Spam museum about a year and a half ago. Great place, but Miss Jennifer wouldn't let me take a photo of her there.

Play nice,
Dan "Ain't no bum-diddy" Levenson
Old Time Music and Dance
www.ClawhammerBanjo.us
Author of Clawhammer Banjo From Scratch, A guide for the claw-less - a MelBay Publication
and Old Time Festival Tunes for Clawhammer Banjo (MelBay 20313) - 117 tunes tabbed for clawhammer banjo with standard notation and suggested chords.
Tune list at http://www.folknet.org/dan/FestTunesBJBook.htm

JS Coffman - Posted - 01/08/2007:  16:00:24


"Wanted to start by giving you a heads up and see who is interested. I'll be glad to keep you up to date of details as they develop."

I'd be interested in making that one, Dan. I used to live in Austin and was thinking about a trip down that way this spring to see frients. Do keep putting up details as they come available.

Joel

BigDawg - Posted - 01/08/2007:  16:16:06


quote:
Originally posted by Clawdan


Geeze, now I'm REALLy embarased. We were at the Spam museum about a year and a half ago. Great place, but Miss Jennifer wouldn't let me take a photo of her there.


That's what Photoshop is for.

bschorfhaar - Posted - 01/08/2007:  16:38:21


Geeze, now I'm REALLy embarased. We were at the Spam museum about a year and a half ago. Great place, but Miss Jennifer wouldn't let me take a photo of her there.

haw! did you enjoy the special aroma there, mr. dan?

IT'S FREE!!

Clawdan - Posted - 01/08/2007:  16:43:22


Loved the trip. Was up in the Rochester (MN) for workshops that year and it was too close to miss (yeah, I get it, smelled it all the way from there!). Great tour btw.

Anyway, I'll let you know as details become more firm. Dates are planned to be March 24&25 so more as we get closer. Any requests of lenght of workshop, subjects and such?

Also, just tentatively also set up a Las Cruces, NM solo weekend the weekend before - 16-18 - for workshops in banjo and fiddle as well as a performance. Just starting to set that up, so ...

Play nice,
Dan "Ain't no bum-diddy" Levenson
Old Time Music and Dance
www.ClawhammerBanjo.us
Author of Clawhammer Banjo From Scratch, A guide for the claw-less - a MelBay Publication
and Old Time Festival Tunes for Clawhammer Banjo (MelBay 20313) - 117 tunes tabbed for clawhammer banjo with standard notation and suggested chords.
Tune list at http://www.folknet.org/dan/FestTunesBJBook.htm

alligood - Posted - 01/08/2007:  16:53:19


Dan,
I'm in Austin and I'll attend.


John

demc62 - Posted - 01/08/2007:  22:05:43


I'm about 1/2 hr north of Austin...texas that is. I'm interested. Will it be a workshop geared to beginners, intermediates, advanced or all of the above. I made a house concert and workshop with Bob Carlin in Austin several years ago. Same type of thing?

Dave

"got banjer?"

Clawdan - Posted - 01/09/2007:  09:35:28


quote:
Originally posted by demc62

I'm about 1/2 hr north of Austin...texas that is. I'm interested. Will it be a workshop geared to beginners, intermediates, advanced or all of the above. I made a house concert and workshop with Bob Carlin in Austin several years ago. Same type of thing?

Dave

"got banjer?"



Can't speak for what was done before, but the usual way we are doing these workshops is that we divide up into levels and do a class each for each level. SO, yes, all levels will be addressed.

Play nice,
Dan "Ain't no bum-diddy" Levenson
Old Time Music and Dance
www.ClawhammerBanjo.us
Author of Clawhammer Banjo From Scratch, A guide for the claw-less - a MelBay Publication
and Old Time Festival Tunes for Clawhammer Banjo (MelBay 20313) - 117 tunes tabbed for clawhammer banjo with standard notation and suggested chords.
Tune list at http://www.folknet.org/dan/FestTunesBJBook.htm

DelusionsOBanjer - Posted - 01/10/2007:  10:22:47


You've got me thinking about a roadtrip. Austin. COOOL....

......................................................................................................
"Hell, how 'bout a hand for absolutely no reason whatsoever..."
--John Hartford

wannabanjo - Posted - 01/23/2007:  13:59:38


I'm right down the road in San Antonio - count me in!

dbrooks - Posted - 01/26/2007:  11:59:41


Hi, Dan.

This is a great, imaginative set of topics for the workshops you and Bob have planned. They go well beyond the usual clawhammer workshops that are offered. I hope you guys continue to develop these new workshop approaches.

David

Clawdan - Posted - 02/13/2007:  09:35:18


Hello Austin!
Details are in for the workshop there in March with myself AND Bob Carlin. Sunday March 25 we'll be doing an all day workshop 9-5 at Vilins Etc. on Burnet Road. Give em a call to register at 512-452-5617. Let me know if you have any trouble.

ALSO, we will both be available for private sessions Saturday March 24 (Bob - banjo, me, both banjo and fiddle) as well as in concert that eveing.

Hope yall can make it!

Play nice,
Dan "Ain't no bum-diddy" Levenson
Old Time Music and Dance
www.ClawhammerBanjo.us
Author of Clawhammer Banjo From Scratch, A guide for the claw-less - a MelBay Publication
and Old Time Festival Tunes for Clawhammer Banjo (MelBay 20313) - 117 tunes tabbed for clawhammer banjo with standard notation and suggested chords.
Tune list at http://www.folknet.org/dan/FestTunesBJBook.htm

Jim Treganza - Posted - 02/12/2007:  14:17:23


I'm brand new at this and want to take a few lessons. I've been unable to find anybody who gives clawhammer lessons less than 45 miles away from Stockton, CA. I work for a local theatre and we were even unable to find a picker to play with the orchestra in a recent show! For money! Does anybody know somebody who plays old-time banjo in this neck of the woods? I really don't want to drive to Berkeley or Sacramento. Thanks.

Clawdan - Posted - 01/08/2007:  14:06:12


Hi Folks,
Bob Carlin and I are planning a workshop weekend in Austin in late March this year. Wanted to start by giving you a heads up and see who is interested. I'll be glad to keep you up to date of details as they develop.

Play nice,
Dan "Ain't no bum-diddy" Levenson
Old Time Music and Dance
www.ClawhammerBanjo.us
Author of Clawhammer Banjo From Scratch, A guide for the claw-less - a MelBay Publication
and Old Time Festival Tunes for Clawhammer Banjo (MelBay 20313) - 117 tunes tabbed for clawhammer banjo with standard notation and suggested chords.
Tune list at http://www.folknet.org/dan/FestTunesBJBook.htm

ukjonathan - Posted - 02/13/2007:  13:42:16


hi I thought the striking of the strings with the claw hand would be the hardest bit, but no I'm wrong! I can hit the strings in various configurations but can I hell get the bum ditty bit. It just sounds like ting, ting ting. I strike my 1st bottom string then strum down following on by thumb off the drone string. But still no bum ditty. Anyone help? I guess this is the hard bit?

banjo_brad - Posted - 02/13/2007:  14:10:29


ukjonathan-

Make sure your downstoke (strum) is fast enough to sound like a chord, and check that the timing is right. If you count 1-2-3-4, the 1st string is one, 2 is empty, three is the strum and 4 is the thumb.

-------1----2----3----4----
-------M---------B----T----

Where M = finger, B = brush, and T= thumb.

Check out some of the videos by Zepp, or on my ezFolk page (mine are very basic, but give you a sense of the rythmn).

Brad

"Banjos and Fiddles and Guitars, Oh My!" (me)
http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/5
www.PricklyPearMusic.net

JS Coffman - Posted - 02/13/2007:  14:16:19


Mike Iverson's website is a GREAT resource for all levels of CH players. Go to http://www.bluesageband.com/Tabs.html

In the instruction section there is a line titled "Basic Right Hand Technique". It starts right at the beginning and takes you through what it takes to get the bum-ditty. Get the PDF and then listen to the sound file. Best of luck, keep working at it - at some point the light witll come on and you'll never lose it.

Joel


Edited by - JS Coffman on 02/13/2007 14:21:12

ukjonathan - Posted - 02/13/2007:  14:22:59


Thx Brad & Joel I will keep plugging away until that dam light comes on


Nide44 - Posted - 02/13/2007:  14:25:21


It's the hesitation at "2" (of 1,2,3,4) that must be phrased correctly
to get the dumm-da-da.

In music notation it is a 1/4 note followed by (2) 1/8 notes..... or worded
correctly- a quarter note followed by two eighth notes.

if you start very slowly and use whatever works best:
Laa-da-da......bumm-dit-dit (in morse code its dash-dot-dot)
dumm-da-da, or Bum-di-ty.....its the carry over of the first beat,
to equal the value of the two beats that follow.

Oh, BTW......the "How and Tao" instructionals- both the
manual and the audio files, can help you too.
http://www.ezfolk.com/banjo/howtao/

Bob B
Yup ! Them's red braces


Edited by - Nide44 on 02/13/2007 14:30:30

stringbeaner - Posted - 02/13/2007:  16:17:38


Well, now that everyone has got you plumb confused, lemme tell you how it goes!
Get into a "G" tuning..(no left hand chords to worry about.) Rest your right arm 1/2 way (about) betwixt wrist and elbow and let your (right) hand sort of hang over the strings a little bit north of the fingerboard. Your hand should be relaxed, thumb loose sort of like a relaxed chicken foot.

Now, some folks use the index finger and some use the middle. I use the middle. Using the wrist as a pivot, take a stroke at the 1st string with the back of the fingernail of which ever finger you have decided on. As your fingernail strikes the string you have chosen, the thumb comes to rest on the 5th string. Pivoting again at the wrist,raise the hand and strike the same (for now) string again and again let your thumb come to rest on the 5th string only this time when you raise your hand, let your thumb pluck the 5th string. Do not leave a gap between the 2nd downstroke with your finger and the up pluck with the thumb.

So, now you have a bum - dit - ty. what you want is a bum - ditty so the bum and the following upstroke in which your thumb rests on the5th string but DOESN'T strike it counts as a quarter note (Bum =1st down & upstroke with out thumb). Ditty = 2nd downstroke + thumb upstroke. There! You should now have a bum-ditty iffin you did it like I said. If you got a bum-ditty, do it a lot.

banjobutte

canerods - Posted - 02/13/2007:  16:30:27


I agree with all of the above. The problem for me was understanding any written description of the bum-ditty. The first day I got my banjo I found Mike Iverson's website -- I listened over and over to his basic right hand technique demonstration. He really does a great job of slowing walking you through the motion step-by-step. After an hour of practice I was getting it. In two days I had it down pretty well. You may want to give it a listen yourself, here's a link to the audio:
http://www.bluesageband.com/Tab%20M...echnique.mp3
Good luck to you!!



"A gentleman is someone who knows how to play the banjo, but chooses not to." Mark Twain

RPM - Posted - 02/13/2007:  17:34:14


Nide44 is making the point that you're not looking just to hit the notes in the right order. You're looking to create a rhythmic 'figure.'
Like he says, note length is one factor to keep in mind, and the other is accent. The "bum" note should be accented, and the "dit" less so. The "ty" sort of fills it out.

You can't go wrong with Mike Iverson's site.

chip arnold - Posted - 02/13/2007:  18:35:45


the timing is 1&2&1&2&1&2&1&2& * 1& are the bum....2 is dit......& is ty *
or sound, silent, sound, sound * four distinct counts, the second of which is silent.

bum dit ty
1 & 2 &

Play with a plan
Chip

Jim Treganza - Posted - 02/12/2007:  14:17:23


I'm brand new at this and want to take a few lessons. I've been unable to find anybody who gives clawhammer lessons less than 45 miles away from Stockton, CA. I work for a local theatre and we were even unable to find a picker to play with the orchestra in a recent show! For money! Does anybody know somebody who plays old-time banjo in this neck of the woods? I really don't want to drive to Berkeley or Sacramento. Thanks.

Clawdan - Posted - 01/08/2007:  14:06:12


Hi Folks,
Bob Carlin and I are planning a workshop weekend in Austin in late March this year. Wanted to start by giving you a heads up and see who is interested. I'll be glad to keep you up to date of details as they develop.

Play nice,
Dan "Ain't no bum-diddy" Levenson
Old Time Music and Dance
www.ClawhammerBanjo.us
Author of Clawhammer Banjo From Scratch, A guide for the claw-less - a MelBay Publication
and Old Time Festival Tunes for Clawhammer Banjo (MelBay 20313) - 117 tunes tabbed for clawhammer banjo with standard notation and suggested chords.
Tune list at http://www.folknet.org/dan/FestTunesBJBook.htm

ukjonathan - Posted - 02/13/2007:  13:42:16


hi I thought the striking of the strings with the claw hand would be the hardest bit, but no I'm wrong! I can hit the strings in various configurations but can I hell get the bum ditty bit. It just sounds like ting, ting ting. I strike my 1st bottom string then strum down following on by thumb off the drone string. But still no bum ditty. Anyone help? I guess this is the hard bit?

Frode B - Posted - 02/13/2007:  18:09:53


What would you call this fingering technique? http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ct0PbWwY5g8
It's me, and I have been fooling around with the banjo for a couple of years without any guiding. I'm a guitar/pedal steel player so I guess I am mixing it all up on the banjo.

The banjo is a Bart Reiter special ( thanks mr.Balch!)


Frode
Oslo, Norway

jbalch - Posted - 02/13/2007:  18:25:38


Frode:

The banjo and your playing sound great! I hope you are enjoying it. That is a nice one.

Your technique looks like a combination of thumb-lead with both up-picking and down strokes. I guess that is a fair description. It is very different from my style...but it seems to work well for you. One thing I learned way back at the Tennessee Banjo Institute is that there is a big wide world of different banjo playing styles....and as long as it works for you...it is all good!



http://www.johnbalchmusic.com/
http://www.myspace.com/johnbalch

Yopparai - Posted - 02/13/2007:  18:37:06


Yep. Looks like Frode-style picking. I think it may have originated somewhere in Norway.

And it sounds good.

oldwoodchuckb - Posted - 02/13/2007:  19:29:04


Can't actually hear it - no sound card. But the picking reminds me of multiple styles Pete Seeger tends to combine into his playing. He wouldn't be a bad roll model - no pun intended.


The Whiskey Before Breakfast variations and a few tunes in "F" tuning are now available on the web at:
http://home.thegrid.net/~fjbrad/id20.html

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