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savzac - Posted - 02/08/2007:  22:35:51

Hi all,
I have been playing a lot by ear since turning two years old now and when playing along with a CD, radio, TV, etc. if I find a song that is being played in G, A, B, etc where all I have to do is whip the capo on and push the 5th string under the spike and away I go, well I can do pretty decent. I can play open and actually make up a little bit of stuff, throw in some common licks, practice back-up, just have a good time. (I know I need a jam partner!)

The problems start when a song comes on that is in the chord of C, F, D, you know, where I don't want to capo WAYYY up the neck. I know I have read a lot in the last two years on here about learning to play licks in C and the other chords mentioned. It seems that I can change the chords to those songs, vamp, pick and keep a nice rhythm with the song, but as far as picking, if I were to take a break it would consist of nothing but rolls played with emphasis on certain strings, in other words faking it.

Here is my question to all, I have taught myself this unique instrument basically using tabs in the Tabledit format because I like hearing the music. So with that being said it seems to me that if I had success so far that if I could find songs that were in the key of C or D that didn't require a capo then I could have a foundation on which to maybe take my banjo picking in a whole new direction, one which I feel is overdo...

So any songs out there that fit into this category that anyone can think of? Any advice is appreciated, Michael


savzac - Posted - 02/08/2007:  22:44:04

I will give an Example, this is what got me to thinking about this.The song Pearl, Pearl, Pearl as played by Flatt and Scruggs and the song started in C but there was no capo. (I think?) here is a link to the video...


leodeluxe - Posted - 02/09/2007:  00:29:32

Try Little Birdie by the Stanley Brothers.

Peace and love

tigerwuds - Posted - 02/09/2007:  03:43:13

Here's a nicely tempoed song played out of G tuning in the key of C which will get you thinking about idea's playing out of C there's many other songs around played out of key of C but try this one first

"By the light of the Silvery Moon"

you'll find a Tabledit file for it here:-----

"It's hard to make a comeback when you haven't been anywhere.".......Play Live.Learn, Listern or Chat at the:---

RODNEYJOHNSON - Posted - 02/09/2007:  06:09:45

I love to play 'Back Up And Push'.I learned it from a video of Allen Munde I believe. C,F,and G.


AD3AD3AD3 - Posted - 02/09/2007:  08:04:26

"C,F,D"? Typically, the big three in the Key of C would be C, F, and G Anyway, it'll be fun to work on Little Birdie.


savzac - Posted - 02/09/2007:  08:44:43

Thanks everyone.

AD3AD3AD3 you wrote, "C,F,D"? I'm sorry, I didn't mean that those 3 chords went together just giving three examples of 3 chords that give me problems when picking out of that chord. Shoot the way I'm writing and explaining this it isn't making sense to even myself.

Rodney, woah, when I first opened and listened to the tab of "Open and Push" it was 9000 miles per hour, lol but that sounds like a definite song to try, thanks.

Tigerwuds, I was just saying that I need to learn something other than Scruggs to learn some variety and looks like "By the light of the Silvery Moon" is exactly the type of song to do that.

leodeluxe, looks like Little Birdie tab is on here too (banjohangout), I'm going to have to go find the Stanley Brothers version and give it a listen.

Thanks to everyone for the information and the homework!


AD3AD3AD3 - Posted - 02/09/2007:  09:12:01

Sorry, Savzak, I missinterpreted your post. I don't have problems picking out of C or F but I find the D-chord is a hairy nightmare sometimes


flange5st - Posted - 02/09/2007:  09:15:13

...Howdy is a different mind set when you play in what I call the "closed position"......I have found that if you take a song and play the melody as close as you can......then work on your embelishments..........forward/backward rolls, hammer ons to take you to a chord change, maybe playing 4 single notes instead of a roll pattern,'ll begin to increase your repitoire of licks and songs:-)........just some things to start.....if you want to listen to some ideas find some Allen Shelton instrumentals and listen to his attack on the phrasing in a closed chord..........lay the thumb to the ol' five.........Peace

savzac - Posted - 02/09/2007:  09:31:42

AD3AD3AD3, no problem, it was the way I had it written. Why do you think that is? The reason you have more problems with D than F or C? I know for me I know more "licks" in D it seems so when I'm playing along with a song in D it seems I can do a little more than just play a roll, it's not much mind you but a little.

flange5st, thanks, I will try that, I have heard and read a lot on here about the closed position but really hadn't tried it much, just playing rolls. It seems that I have a problem because when I lift a finger off of the chord that I'm holding to try something then I have to stay away from that string and not hit it open and I don't know it just seems much. I like that idea of playing the melody and then working from there adding things to it. That seems to make sense, I know that's talked about a lot but for it makes a little sense to me in this situation. Now to get the kids out of here so I can practice a little. Those two hour delays!


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